ORIGINAL: big140
yeah very dangerous. i've done alot of research into and am nearly ready to start at the beginning of my PCT in 7 weeks. i plan to start the dose low and slowly build up, i will also carry a high carb drink (probably lucozade) everywhere with me for 3 hrs post training session. as i am looking to bulk i will keep carbs higher than most people and slowly decrease til i find the optimimum carb amount where i'm gaining weight but with as little fat as possible.
while your here i have a few more questions you might be able to help me with.
1. do you only take insulin on training days?
2. do you check your BG levels with a glucometer pre training/pre insulin to get a base level to compare to and then check again after your high carb/high protein PPWO meal?
3. how long do you cycle it? 5 on 5 off?
4. 2.5 - 3 hrs after taking insulin is it safe to relax and not worry about your BG levels until the next time you take insulin?
5. do you use a pen or slin needles?
6. i'm allergic to milk. can my PWO shake consist of soy protein powder and dextrose? if so, how much of each for bulking?
appreciate the advice righty.
My personal plan and not defacto information - this works for me and was recommended by someone who preps a few top level UK amateurs:
1. do you only take insulin on training days?
Yes, post-workout at 4iu with 5iu gh also being shot a few minutes before.
2. do you check your BG levels with a glucometer pre training/pre insulin to get a base level to compare to and then check again after your high carb/high protein PPWO meal?
My blood glucose level is typically around 4.4. Post-training it's usually slightly lower.
I take in a whey isolate drink (40g), glucose/maltodextrin (60g), creatine (3g) and avoid fat in the presence of an insulin shot. My insulin peaks after approx 2.5 hours and I usually take my BG reading at 30 mins after, 90mins after and 150mins after administration.
Many claim a corresponding number of international units of gh - because of its blood-sugar raising properties will counter the hypoglycaemic effects of insulin but this is not necessarily true. It doesn't with me nor with several I know who use both.
Gh and insulin together is reckoned to be a pretty potent stack but the long-term effects of dual administration in a small time window are not yet known.
3. how long do you cycle it? 5 on 5 off?
I train EOD, so I take this combination EOD and will do for just 20 training days at a time - ie 100iu of gh-worth.
4. 2.5 - 3 hrs after taking insulin is it safe to relax and not worry about your BG levels until the next time you take insulin?
It depends on the active duration timings of the insulin. If you took a particularly long-acting insulin in the early afternoon after training you might find yourself entering a coma during your sleep that evening if insufficient carbs were eaten or even if sufficient carbs were eaten but they were absorbed too quickly thanks to their glycaemic value. People seem to think a certain amount of carbs negates a certain amount of insulin - they usually forget the time factor where the insulin continues to work for a period of time they may not have compensated for. So, you might take 4iu of insulin, eat 50-60g carbs and think everything's cool. But if the carbs flush through quickly ie maybe it's pure glucose, that insulin is STILL working during its life timeframe.
For that reason, athletes tend toward fast-acting insulin.
5. do you use a pen or slin needles?
Slin needles.
6. i'm allergic to milk. can my PWO shake consist of soy protein powder and dextrose? if so, how much of each for bulking?
The answer depends entirely on how much insulin you are using.
40-50g of a decent carb source might see off the effects of 2iu of insulin. It would get you in trouble if you took 8iu.
My advice is to really really think about whether you need to use this drug.
If you decide to, invest in a good glucometer and have plenty of strips and prickers on hand.
Make sure you know how to calibrate your glucometer as the blood glucose detection strips have codes which need to be entered into the machine - wrong code, wrong blood sugar reading.
Start off very low with insulin. Very low. 2iu max for the first few days. Even that is too much for some to tolerate and can make them feel sick and very "not themselves".
NONE of this post is intended to propel you or anyone else reading it toward using this drug.
I am simply answering your questions and would advise that you give insulin a miss, at least until you FULLY understand its mode of action and precautions.
Try googling "glucagon" in particular.
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