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twsander

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BULKING UP ADVICE... - 14 July 2008 16:09
hi guys!

Im really wanting to BULKUP as i hate being slim,no matter how much people say 'its ok, youre naturally skinny' i still wana do something about it. i started training more often around 6 months back but so far it has just lent me to becoming really toned & more defined.

I've been using maximuscle cyclone for around 3 months now with ocaasionaly stacking it with promax extreme, and to be honest seen little improvement in terms of size. I was recomended the product by a mate. I am a begginner and know not to expect miracle results.

I've been training around 3/4 times a week. I do about half an hour cardio and then the weights. but i also do tennis/squash too! so possibly over training??? lately as ive been more active my recovery has been taking longer and even now since a tennis match on friday i still ache!!

Im 20 years old 6'2" tall and STILL hovering around over 11stone in weight.

I've been told by other people in 'the know' that i am your typial 'HARDGAINER' and i would agree. i have an immensly fast metabolism yet cant physically ram enough food down my neck to sufice! so any advice??????????

I'm thinking about ditching the cyclone and using a weight gainer such as ProLab N-Large???? working out less but still keeping intensity.

I prefer to work out at home as i have most of the gear to be able to do it.

So if theres any1 who could give us some advice or anything i would be gratefull.


cheers guys, take care

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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 14 July 2008 16:57
Eat more food.
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 14 July 2008 17:07
i`m just the same as you mate super hard gainer,i`m only 9st 2lb! the advice ive been given on here is eat eat eat,regularly like every 2-3 hours get some protein down your neck and plenty of good carbs.i`m no expert at all but i would say ditch them supplements and go for a simple whey protein or weight gainer or both,personally i`ve just gone for the whey as its very cheap,ordered 10lbs for £30,i`m gonna take this 3 times daily.also been told rest is just as important so i would go for a 3 day routine and concerntrate on big weights low reps,cut down all that cardio work.have a good look about this site you`ll soon pick up some top advice.
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 14 July 2008 17:16
Ditch the maximuscle products, very expensive spend the cash you save by not buying maximuscle on food. simply eat more. also look into the bulk suppliers of protein e.g. my protein and all in 1 all the guys on here would agree very good products at good prices. Also mate post up your full routine and diet so we can have a look at that maybe there's some issues there.

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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 15 July 2008 08:04
Twsander, I was exactly the same as you. Always skinny, people always commenting on how thin I was, so I started the gym expecting to start gaining muscle and size with some good training. After 6 months of beginner gains everything slowed up. I reviewed my diet and eat like crazy now.

You really have got to get on top of your diet. I was 11St 3 lb when I started and now I'm 13st 7lb and still climbing up the weight.

I only use myproteins unflavoured whey for a couple of shakes a day but the majority of cals etc comes from food. Eat eat eat my friend and you will succeed.
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 15 July 2008 09:28
As has been highlighted, you need to eat, eat, eat!!!

The saying 'eat big to get big' is so very true!


It may be worth posting up your current diet in the 'Diet & Nutrition' section for some feedback. Suitable food in suitable quantities every couple of hours or so is going to help no end .......far more than some 'wonder supplement' will.

Shakes can be a helpful aid when trying to get in the volume of calories, carbs & protein required, but they are only there to supplement your main diet.
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 15 July 2008 09:38


ORIGINAL: noname

As has been highlighted, you need to eat, eat, eat!!!

The saying 'eat big to get big' is so very true!


It may be worth posting up your current diet in the 'Diet & Nutrition' section for some feedback. Suitable food in suitable quantities every couple of hours or so is going to help no end .......far more than some 'wonder supplement' will.

Shakes can be a helpful aid when trying to get in the volume of calories, carbs & protein required, but they are only there to supplement your main diet.



Good post. Its hard to put enough emphasis upon the importance of eating big. It helped me to think about it this way, 'if you're not eating, you're not growing'.

Really plough the food into you mate, use shakes to get extra protein, but dont kid yourself into think that a shake and a banana=a meal. It dosent. 500kals plus=a meal, and you need 6-8 of those!
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 15 July 2008 16:08
Hi Tom,

First thing first, ditch the cardio session before hitting the weights. Aerobic exercise will primarily use stored glycogen and then once these stores are depleted, will begin to burn fat. The problem is, anaerobic exercise such as weight training uses these same glycogen stores to power your muscles. So you are in effect, depleting your primary weight training fuel source before you even hit the weights. Aerobic exercise also obviously raises cortisol levels - the muscle wasting hormone caused by physical stress, so it's not a good start to your workout if you're trying to bulk up. Cardio work following weight training is better, but my advice would be to still avoid it.

If you have a very fast metabolism, you have to figure out your priorities in the short term. Limiting your overall aerobic output will obviously help to conserve valuable calories, but at a loss to your overall cardio fitness. But if you're intent on bulking up, then obviously, limiting aerobic exercise should be a priority.

As for nutrition, the usual advice goes:


  • Eat small regular meals every 2 1/2 - 3 hours in a 1 third protein, 2 thirds carb ratio.
    If this is impractical, certainly substitute a couple of meals for a whey protein drink to maintain a positive nitrogen balance.
  • Remember the importance of pre and post workout nutrition. Numerous studies have shown that by combining a fast acting protein such as whey with a quality carbohydrate such as maltodextrin, quickly replenishes glycogen levels and significantly increases protein synthesis. It's fundementally important to ensure you consume a protein/carb drink within 20-30 minutes of finishing your weight training to optimise nutrient uptake - which will in turn optimise lean muscle gains.


Remember, to gain weight, you also need to consume more calories than you expend. If you know your current calorie requirements to maintain your present weight, then you should be looking to add an additional 500-1000 extra calories to your diet a day to gain weight at a healthy 1 - 2 lbs a week. These calories can certainly come from a good weight gainer supplement if you have difficulty increasing your intake.

If you don't know your present calorific requirements, you can try this simple calculation:

Body weight in kilos x 24 x activity level (1.55 for moderately active, 1.75 for very active or 1.9 for extremely active).

The above calculation gives you a rough idea of your present calorific requirements to maintain your present body weight. Obviously, it's just a guideline, so needs some common sense applied also.

Then add in the extra 500-1000 calories a day you need to gain healthy body weight and you'll get an idea of the figure you should be aiming for.

Training advice for hard gainers is simple. Overtraining will lead to zero gains. It's far better to undertrain. Don't work out each body part more than once a week - my advice would be to aim for around 6 - 9 sets per muscle group using only compound exercises such as bench press, dips, shoulder press, pull ups, bent over rows squats and deadlifts.

And of course, get plently of sleep - minimum 8 hrs a night - this is one of the most effective things you can do to maximise recovery between workout sessions and therefore, increase lean body mass as quickly as possible.






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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 16 July 2008 14:19
hi again guys!

first..just a big cheers to you guys for gettin back 2 me, thats really boss of you all & good to know pple are willing to help!

every post has really made sense and helped me sort some stuff out; i realise i was doing waaay to much cardio, even tho i kind of enjoy the cardio its just been too much so will take your advice on that one. so no more overtraining!!

my diet is a bit of a problem! despite THINKING I'm eating ok im actually NOT at all! im gna post some of my diet up in the D&N section.
so ive started eating better/bigger. and ordered some suppliments on line but i know i need to eat better! before i was just eating decent 3 meals per day and just snacking & using the cyclone. so yes i need to listen to my body better and eat bigger as you guys have suggested!

so since the start of the week ive had time off and just ditched the cyclone, and eating bigger and having a few whey shakes but focusing on the eating side, worked out yesterday with mre compound exercises and found it a better eperience. feel focused again now!!
new suppliments coming tomorrow!

i did the calculation that sportsense recomeded: came out at 3164 to maintain my current body weight. which i presume is nothing extraordinary. so yes increaing that to about 4000 just over would be better!

cheers 4 the heads up on the myprotein: good site! good prices!

thanks again guys. speak soon!

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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 16 July 2008 15:46
Have you tried 4x6 workouts? Maybe six reps with heavier weights will shock your muscles into growing. Also try to eat a lot of decent carbs and fat aswell as protien. Brocolli and brown rice are good sources of carbohydrates. Try eating a lot of peanut butter as snackfood.
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 16 July 2008 20:09
not tried 4X6 before no!..

peanut butter sound interesting and thats where im kind struggling..........

i can realisticly cook 3 good meals a day its just the inbetweeners...those other high calory/protein/carb meals that you need. i dont realisticly have time to cook loadsa stuff all the time due oto work/uni etc etc, so wondered how you guys do it and what you'd reccomend as well as the shakes. struggled to find much on the D&N section!

cheers

tom
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 16 July 2008 20:51
Maximuscle cyclone is a really good product if you can afford it, though you need to get a solid diet in mind and the cyclone I would use around workouts.

I'd recommend go back out this thread read the thread Page 1 at the top 2 of the beginners section titled "Cashman's.." - TWICE!
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RE: BULKING UP ADVICE... - 17 July 2008 12:18


ORIGINAL: noname

As has been highlighted, you need to eat, eat, eat!!!

The saying 'eat big to get big' is so very true!


It may be worth posting up your current diet in the 'Diet & Nutrition' section for some feedback. Suitable food in suitable quantities every couple of hours or so is going to help no end .......far more than some 'wonder supplement' will.

Shakes can be a helpful aid when trying to get in the volume of calories, carbs & protein required, but they are only there to supplement your main diet.




agree with this post, i was a skinny lil boy once, well two years ago.

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