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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 9 2005 23:38:18
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S_T_E_F
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Ok this leaning out is getting a bit psycological now...ive gained more vascularity especially in arms and calfs (just about see a little one coimng across the delt on to the chest...in the right light lol) but ive lost bout 1/4-1/2 inch on upper arm measure which i presume is the fat layer disapearing cause there aint no way i can be going catabolic as im eating protein every two - three hours.My carbs now are virtually non exsistant apart from vege based so im also aware that this diet can make you flat.I would still like to take some more fat (final knockings really) off my abs but im not gonna forsake any muscle mass and a drop in measurements could be taken realy badley after the friggin struggles ive had gaining.Spose this is just the reality of a dry weight once everything else is gone....m8 its an eye opener....you walk around thinking your nearly sixteen stone and bam...you lean out and realise your only fourteen and could still go down some more.This is the first time ive done this and it is quite exilerating as some have said....strange after saying all this proportionally i think i look bigger but thats probably cause of defonition and seperation.Gonna do this one more month but im closely monitering things now.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 10 2005 12:43:42
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Hi mate why don`t you add in a carb day every 3 days or so? This should keep you from getting flat and won`t affect fat loss much at all.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 10 2005 14:42:08
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Im on a mini cut at the mo...and as Warden says above....Im cycling my carbs with a very low day, a low day..then a loading day..its a trial and error process for all of us tho.
Agree with what you say... I was thinking I was a 99kg feller not so long ago...its a false economy tho I feel cos being lean and mean is a whole different ball game! As much as I would like 20" arms....I dont want em with 30% bodyfat....and I think your right....with shape, and definition you can actually appear bigger than the tape measure tells you!
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 10 2005 15:36:59
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mmmm carb cycling huh...this is what liz was on about i beleive..might have to try this now cause im getting wacked aswell
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 10 2005 16:03:43
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my last 3 or 4 entries in my journal have my eating plans in, its 3 different days in all rotated according to mood and training schedule. Its the first time ive tried it to be honest....but my eating plan may give you an idea to adapt to suit your dietry needs?
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 10 2005 17:24:24
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Been there checked it...left a little message
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 15 2005 23:16:56
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brill journal stef,looking good ,all hard work paying off,inspires me to work out harder .
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 15 2005 23:31:42
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Hey thanks...the diet since jan has been hardwork but the defanition and seperation has definately improved not to mention improvements on my abs and im getting calf vascularity which is like a big marker for me as ive never in my life seen veins down there...never knew they went there.Will be getting some pics up soon as soon as ive got myself reflated carb wise and now im including the carbs more to the diet im gonna load up on the creatine to push the muscles up a bit more ...see if we can get the skin a bit tighter.Personally i wouldve liked to push the diet a bit more but my bodies telling me to increase my carbs agian and i listen to what my body says....carb depletion can go tits up if you push it too far and i dont wanna lose any mass...another month wouldve had me ripped id say but TBH there aint much point going to them extremes when this is all about mixing it up and having a break from bulking.Havent quite decided my bulking moves yet...i might try and get real technical and get the protein carb balance just right to keep fat low and lean mass high or go all out weight increase...havent decided yet but this experiment has showed me i can drop it off when needed which is nice to know.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 12:11:24
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Just read through your journal mate- great progress! Youv'e came a long, long way from the way you looked in the pic with the dog. Must have took a lot of dedication. Hope the cutting goes well, and look forward to seeing the pics mate.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 14:23:50
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Cheers twisted, yes you could say a long hard road (still we love it...dont we?)
Just redone me BF again on the calipers and its dropped (well this i know from the mirror) but we might aswell quantify while were here and i got some interesting results from the calc i used.
16/02/05 chest=9/midaxillary=9/suprailiac=9/abdom=15/thigh=12
BF=11.25/lbs of BF=22.04/lean weight173.96
the tricep and shoulderblade fold i put in as b4 cause theres no-one here to take the measurements but 11.25% sounds about realistic over 13/14% it calced b4 .Can someone tell me if lean bodyweight is what youd weigh at 0% BF (which ofcourse isnt acheivable) but if it is then its quite a good guide to what youd be ripped at .If i assumed somewhere between my weight now at 196 pounds (14 stone) and 174 (12.5 stone) id be about 6%BF at about 13.1/4 stone.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 14:39:09
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very good progress S_T_E_F
it's also good to see that althogh you use AAS you do point out that you could probalby have left it a little later as with proper trianing you could probalby have broke thru your platue unassisted. but even at that - 4st in 3 years is pretty damb impressive! it's taken me about 3 times as long to add the same weight 
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 15:12:13
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Half the reason im giving them a good layoff this year ninj...im a man of moderation now after learning the hard way with other substances back in my youth.Obviuosly back then i was skinny but not really lean but its hard to quantify gains.if you look at the latest calcs i made id be down to about 6% at just over13 stone so that takes a lot of weight out of the equation...but then i never started at 6%....
...Think what im trying to say here is ripped weight is a lot lighter than most humans at normal weight range so really its just down to how you quantify your gains...Your very lean all year round so mass added will be quality whereas i add weight full stop.If i decide to go the weightgain route agian im gonna post up my fattest pics for a laugh...you will be amazed how much fat i can store on my stomach lol....however im gonna be starting this personal trainer course soon so this might affect my weight gain potential...this is the reason im contemplating diong things in phases from now on manipulating diet.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 15:31:59
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yeah i do prefer the softly softly approach! lol
and becoming a personal trainer may well limit your gains as you'll be using a lot of energy during hte day just doing yoru job! it'll help to keep the fat off obviously but you may be forced to gain lean mass slowly.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 15:48:05
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Just a little something for you to consider mate, once you actually start personal training it will in your best interests to keep in shape to making gains will be a slower process. If I were you I`d take advantage of the time before you start to add some extra size even while you can get away with being a little fatter. This is basically what I`ve been doing the last year as I`m not working in the gyms at the moment. Will be going back to that in Jan so I`m using this time constructively I think.
Just a thought...
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 17:36:26
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I sart it in march Warden so it dont me much time really...thing with it is what ive been doing for the last ten years has probably burnt more calories per day than what the pt will do.Second to this is the fact in my previous occupation i only got two half hour breaks which makes food cramming essential then at optimum moments id sneak awawy to eat a tin of tuna in the carzee or somewhere (highly hygenic i know).My course allows me three breaks of two half hours and one full hour so im laughing m8.Obviously there will be times where im gonna be needed to do cardio vasc activity but im sure it aint gonna be the constant slog of a high profile construction project.
Ninj what im thinking about at the moment islike a monthly rotation of carbohydrates.One month bash them in and try and get the scales tipping then next month lmit them to get the caliper readings acceptable again , all the while banging in protein as i can eat this till the cows come home and not gain fat.(oh yea and keeping it a low fat affair but keeping essential fats incorperated.)
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 17:40:00
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seems like a good plan tbh. i'd be interested to see how sucessful you can do this.
also your AAS usage will have to change - should you go back on cycle at some point as water retention will really hamper your CV ability, shin splints, lower back pumps etc - not ideal for a personal trainer! lol, tren, winny and prop for you from now on then!
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 17:49:31
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LOL....i think we both know the answer to that one...actually my last cycle i was dry as a bone with the addition of prov.Dont think im gonna bother with the dbol nomore for that reason...even with prov you get back pumps and i get near enough the same gain off M1T with out all the hassle.The tren i was impressed with and ill incorperate it again at some point but dont know how gooda compound it would be for bulking.My cycles will always be test m8, tried tested and recommended above all....plus the creaking worries me with winny.
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 16 2005 23:21:53
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have to say i did get "old man knees" with my last cycle!
i could tell you the weather outside before i got up! lol
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 17 2005 13:14:47
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Hey S_T_E_F think you misunderstood me mate. You`ll not be burning any near as many cals pt as you would in construction. It`s more a case of having to keep yourself in shape as your body is a kind of advertisement and is associated with your abilities as a trainer(Wrongly so I believe). That`s why I said bulking up will be more of a mission because ideally you don`t want to add much bodyfat or you won`t look as marketable.
Either way good luck in your new career! Hope you have as much fun as I`ve had...
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RE: S_T_E_F_S journal... - Feb. 17 2005 15:08:18
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Yea i see and thats kinda my main concern now...have to see where its gonna land me at the begining of next year as thats when i qualify (hopefully) and id have to find an employer so obviusly the frames gotta fit huh.This is the begining of a whole new era for me and im hoping the extra meal times and less cals burnt overall will be enough to push more growth.
Only time will be the teller....done a pic hopefully to highlight my new bodyfat level...light wasnt good so excuse the crappy quality.Ijust cant get the detail of a fullbody with this cam as its only a webcam/digicam mini thing so ill try later for some leg shots.TBH a bit of sun through the window wouldnt go amiss.
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