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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Oct. 26 2007 10:51:33
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I have used this type of workout on and off for more than 15 years now. Basically it works for me but as Midget Motivator points out you realy need to listen to your body and know when to back off and how to cycle workouts to keep things positive.
I often don't have a training partner so don't use the forced reps too often just simple drop sets reducing the weight on the bench press for example by 5-10kg each time for anywhere from 3 - 6 drops. Some days I use a rest pause as well where I rack the weight breath deeply 5 times then go again. I often use the pre exhaust approach but sometimes simply prioratise a body part for strength training by doing the heavy compound movemnets first. I never have a pre determined workout in mind when I head for the gym beyond which body parts I will train but go entierly on instincts.
This summer after a long lay off of almost 6 months I used these methods and dropped 8kg while my strength continued to increase coupled with a careful diet plan I feel I am in pretty good shape for a 39 year old, as my abs are begining to show through again.
I should also mention I try to keep the reps in the 4-6 range but, again sometimes I mix it up a little if the mood takes me but never more than 8-10 reps while aiming to increase the weight I use or get an extra rep on every workout.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 11:06:12
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sounds DEMONIC to me
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 15:35:31
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If only we had more articulate posters like yourself pw....
Beyond Failure Training:
If your tough enough;do it. you will grow and be stronger for it.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 15:46:48
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If you follow any structured training routine and combine it with correct rest and diet you will grow and be stronger anyway.
I fail to see the benefits of having your training buddy doing half of the work for you.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 15:51:37
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i like this type of training and its worked for me, thats all i care about 
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 15:53:25
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According to your journal you have not done this kind of training.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 15:58:33
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i tried it for about a month back before i had a journal in way way back times, made a lot of gains in the month, but couldnt handle it and had some severe fatigue, couldnt handle it at the time very well despite chinning it for a month. and im still not ready i dont think.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 16:00:33
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atm im doing multipe drop sets and the intensity is still nothing compaed to this. if i ever get the opportunity to have 4-6 weeks with little to no work activity id like to gve it another dig.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 16:01:50
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You were 17 and just over 10 stone when you started your journal so to be fair you would have experienced good results on any program.
As you couldnt handle it for longer than a month then it is fair to say that it was not a very effective program for you.
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Feb. 23 2008 16:03:52
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at the time, doing 40+ hours of physical work. no it asnt sited to me, but after this ive had numerous stop/starts and nothing has come close to this.
as i said it aint for everyone and so does thebig man himslelf.
definately not worth writing off either
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Apr. 30 2008 11:51:23
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hi les, been away for a long while but getting back on the training in a weeks time, i ran that routine for two cycles and got real good gains and loads of strength from it and would do again .
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RE: Beyond Failure Training - Trevor Smith - Apr. 30 2008 12:49:14
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ORIGINAL: Integra
If you follow any structured training routine and combine it with correct rest and diet you will grow and be stronger anyway.
I fail to see the benefits of having your training buddy doing half of the work for you.
call me pedantic but i disagree with your first bit, you need to progressionally overload/stimulate your muscles to grow the routine needs to take this into account.
i agree with your second point though.
Although i like insane workouts 
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