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need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate .

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2012/02/18 15:29:37 (permalink)

need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate .

Hi everyone. This is a somewhat unusual post as I need advice from experts on protein. I had 85% of my stomach removed 11 weeks ago . At the moment I can only eat VERY  small amounts.My surgeons recommend protein supplements until I cant eat more food . I'm told I need to get 70 mg of protein per day in. Protein is the hardest food to take in after this kind of surgery ..I can only manage about 4 , well chewed teaspoons full before my tummy cant take any more. I bought  a bag of "Isomax 100% whey protein Isolate" which you mix with water or milk, but found it difficult to tolerate...  and it takes me all day to drink half a pint. I scoured the internet and found a protein shot which has the following nutritional values "Pure deironized water, protein blend (actinase), patent pending blend of enzymatically hydrolyzed (pre digested) collagen protein isolate, whey protein isolate (milk), and casein protein isolate (milk) amino acids (proprietary blend of tyraine, leucine, lysine, isoleucine, tryptophan, threonine, methoine and valine) glucosamine hydrochloride, acidity regulator (malic acid), natural flavors sodium bicarbonate, sweetners (acesulfame-potassium sucralose), color (allura red ac) 100cals per shot". I'm wondering if , despite the shot containing 25mg pf protein and 1mg of glucosamine , I would benefit more from the 100% whey protein isolate ? . I have extreme exhaustion at the moment , have been on tablets for low iron for a month and am doing everything I can to help myself and it got me to thinking about the protein shots. Would insufficient protein intake make me more tired ? I am drinking a pint of milk a day as well as water and the protein shots . Any advice would be hugely welcome . Thank you
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 15:49:30 (permalink)
    Whey isolate is a much higher quality protein than that found in protein shot products. I'm also assuming you mean 70g and not 70mg of protein?

     
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 16:04:42 (permalink)
    gutted to hear all that hope you get better.
     
     I know the Inner Armour one you have nothing wrong with it but you can get even more refined Isolate from Bulkpowders which is 97% I think thats the best you can get in the UK. Its expensive but sounds like every percent makes a difference with you at the moment.
     
    yes low protein could affect you in many ways including sleep and feeling lethargic but doesnt sound like you can eat much of anything at the moment, sugar ect which would also affect it .
     
     
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 16:09:49 (permalink)
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    Whey isolate is a much higher quality protein than that found in protein shot products. I'm also assuming you mean 70g and not 70mg of protein?

     
     
    Just thought seeing Echo online,  What about ON Gold standard they used filted protein that would be esy to get down?
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 16:15:53 (permalink)
    Thats a really high quality whey but their hydro whey may be even better - if the 97% whey is still about that would be better still.

     
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 17:24:19 (permalink)
    In a word - Isolate. I'm now fan of any product that includes collagen. Having seen what the issue is I'd avoid it as it's rep is rarely good in digestive terms so someone who's had that much gut removed and struggles for the reasons stated should probably avoid it.
     
    Peakbody's Protein Mania is claiming to be 99% protein (not sure how) though.
    post edited by Mobster - 2012/02/18 17:28:14
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 19:49:36 (permalink)
    Protein shots would not be a recommendation from me.
     
    Some would say that to suspend 20-50g of protein in 70-120mls of water is improbable.
     
    40g in 500mls yes but that is a mere 8g per 100mls!
     
    A clean isolate - perhaps a native isolate or even a hydrolysed whey but taste wise if unflavoured isolate would be better.

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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/18 20:44:14 (permalink)
    Thanks to all who took the time out to reply ! I'm going to try my Isomax 100% again tomorrow ( and for a few days thereafter ) to see if it gives me any more energy. My stomach is roughly the size of a small banana , so I'm severely limited in the amount I can eat or drink at any one sitting. I hope it works !!!  
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/19 09:26:29 (permalink)
    You would probably find it useful to avoid proteins and substitute an essential amino acid supplement for this,

    I know a doctor who has worked in trauma cases similar to this and to quote him:

    "Essential amino acids provide the nutrients needed for the body's repair and growth needs and have the advantage of not needing to be broken down via digestion, something which protein does."



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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/19 13:07:13 (permalink)
    Thinking on... if the amount (70mg) is correct as was suggest in the opening post then I concur with Pred. That said it will be very hard to find something that contains or measures out such a small amount at a time.
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/19 22:29:36 (permalink)
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    Thinking on... if the amount (70mg) is correct as was suggest in the opening post then I concur with Pred. That said it will be very hard to find something that contains or measures out such a small amount at a time.

    Hi , sorry there was an error in my typing. During the course of the day , my surgeon has told me I must have 70- 80 GRAM'S of protein. They understand that the size of my stomach  is so small - about the size of a felt highlighter - that it will be impossible for me to eat that amount until many months have passed and my stomach has stretched. Therefore, they recommend protein drinks until such times as I am able to tolerate more. I use the 2 protein shots  and 1 pint of milk. The shots have 25mg of protein in each.  In the future , they expect me to be able to eat 3oz of meat or fish at one sitting and get my protein intake that way. Its so difficult now, though .
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/20 08:38:57 (permalink)
    Isolate.
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    Re:need to know which is better - a protien shot or 100% whey protein isolate . 2012/02/21 20:55:05 (permalink)
    Hi there - welcome to MT
     
    I used to deal with post-gastrectomy patients in my clincial days (albeit 10 years ago now!).
     
    I take it you've been warned about dumping syndrome?  If not, then you should have been.
     
    Your protein absorption will remain intact, just your digestion - for the time being - may be a little compromised.  A good quality whey protien isolate will be ideal, but you need to consider calories as well.  Obviously, you'll have to be careful with carbs, but fats can be useful.
     
    Good advice on the protein shots: they're not ideal.  Essential amino acids would not be recommended purely due to the amount of powder you'll have to consume to get a decent normo-caloric macronutrient intake.  A good quality whey isolate is ideal.
     
    Let me know if I can help more.

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