hi,
has anyone else had probs with nose bleeds when using bol or any other gear? Been on dianabol for a week now and have had 2 real heavy nose bleeds, never had them before. Can any body explain or advise me on this cos i am getting worried. Should i stop the bol till i have sorted this out?
many thanx
scrodder

Hey buddy
It can be common for gear to cause nose bleeds although i dont suffer from this myself i know people who do.

could be a sign of high blood pressure

Maybe you can handle yourself one of them First Class tickets to the resurrection,So long, Mel, Have a good trip

i get nose bleeds alot when on dbol but once ive been on for 2 or 3 weeks,nose bleeds normally when i feel dizzy and hot flushed,i put down to blood pressure.

d-bol increses your blood pressure mate nothing to worry about i know sometimes they can be difficult to stop but mine didi get easier then dissapeared, so nothing realy to worry about mate.

"Dream like you'll live forever, Live like you'll die tomorrow"

are you using any other gear

hi mate,
not using any other gear at the mo, only on 25mg a day, but going on enan next week but not sure if i should now cos that will prob send my blood pressure up even further do you think?
thanks for all replies
scrodder

get your bp checked mate as bp could well go up again if you start using enan and dont control water retention effectively. are the nosebleeds during excercise or just random times? if random times than deffo need to get bp checked, if when working out ensure your not breath holding which combined with increased bp from d-bol may be causing the problem.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_375799/mpage_1/key_nose%252Cbleeds/tm.htm#375905

Your nose bleeds probably have very little to do with high blood pressure

shades, that info is specific to that post, nose bleeds are a common sign of high blood pressure its one of the first checks you should do if you get them, it is especially important not to discount it as high bp can have serious effects on both short and long term health. always worth checking as i presume none of us want to drop dead in the middle of a heavy squat.

the reason that nose bleed is associated with increased bp is partly to do with a thinned sking thickness as mentioned in the other post, as pressure builds the blood literally is trying to burst out (like a pressure cooker and its steam vent on top) the path of least resistance for this pressure is through the thin nasal tissue, hence the need to get bp checked.

shades, imo you need to be carefull with above posts, health is not something to guess about imo.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_167196/mpage_1/key_nose%252Cbleeds/tm.htm#167402

Posted by The Doctor:

Contrary to popular opinion there is no definitive causative link between hypertension and nose bleeds (epistaxis).

Or put it another way most cases of nose bleeds are not due to high blood pressure.

The bleeding is most commonly from the blood vessels in the anterior part of the nasal septum.

As said you will most likely need it cauterized and it will settle or my favourite treatment was to use cocaine.

ORIGINAL: ihawk

shades, that info is specific to that post, nose bleeds are a common sign of high blood pressure its one of the first checks you should do if you get them, it is especially important not to discount it as high bp can have serious effects on both short and long term health. always worth checking as i presume none of us want to drop dead in the middle of a heavy squat.

the reason that nose bleed is associated with increased bp is partly to do
with a thinned sking thickness as mentioned in the other post, as pressure builds the blood literally is trying to burst out (like a pressure cooker and its steam vent on top) the path of least resistance for this pressure is through the thin nasal tissue, hence the need to get bp checked.

shades, imo you need to be carefull with above posts, health is not something to guess about imo.

Ihawk - I like you used to think that the most common cause of nose bleeds was high blood pressure - but someone with far more knowledge than you or I has clearly stated that this is not the case.

I had to laugh when you were critical of my initial statement, I fully admitt that the initial link that i put up was not the best example, we are all here to learn, perhaps more time spent researching and less time spent being critical of others would be benifical for some of us.

mate im not being critical of you i am pointing out that the nose blead could well be a sign of high blood pressure, and high blood pressure is indeed something to be discounted if you experience them especially whilst on steroids.

also you have no idea who has more knowledge than me and what my knowledge base is. i have seen enough evidence over many years with weight lifters and roid users to know that an increase in blood pressure can result in a nose bleed, especially when technique is poor and breath holding occurs. the action is exactly as i described and high blood pressure is something all of us should take very seriously on a cycle. i dont need to be a doctor to know any of the above stuff.

on the research side of things it is indeed best to be well researched which is why i would never latch on to a single post and then re post it as factual health advice. i think you will find if you widen your search you will indeed find much information available on exacatly what i am talking about. glad i made you laugh

i have put a few articles up just to illustrate the importance of not discounting high blood pressure if you suffer nose bleeds especially if you are weight lifting and or using steroids which can both (streoids much more significantly and weight lifting very temporarily just as you lift) increase blood pressure. there are hundreds of articles pointing to links between the 2 and in no way can you afford to discount the possible link. if you have high blood pressure and ignore it it can be extremeley serious as we all know. illustrates the importance to read around topics and not just rely on single posts as hard facts especially where your health can be negatively effected. only banging on about it as i have seen first hand how devastating the effects of untreated bp can be. and obviously also to prove i am right



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Friday, 3 November, 2000, 00:16 GMT
Nosebleeds peak at breakfast time



Blood pressure rhythms may be linked to nosebleeds

Nosebleeds are much more likely to happen in the morning, following a pattern that is probably linked to blood pressure.
A study of hospital admissions for nosebleeds over a period of seven years found the number peaked at around 8am, with a further, smaller peak about 10 o'clock at night.

Doctors at the St Anna Hospital in Ferrara, Italy, charted a total of 1,741 cases of nosebleed arriving in the emergency department.

The number of nosebleeds starting at around eight in the morning was up to six times higher than those reported at 4am.

The number of nosebleeds was lowest overnight, increasing in the morning before dropping off again to a low level in the middle of the afternoon.

Blood pressure rises just before waking and continues to rise with the activity of getting up

Dr Martin Dawes, Centre for Evidence-based Medicine

The researchers concluded that this pattern follows a circadian rhythm which is closely linked to the level of blood pressure.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, the researchers said that "a biphasic pattern such as we found closely resembles the physiological circadian rhythm of blood pressure, suggesting that blood pressure might trigger or be conducive to epistaxis".

The pattern was found in all groups of patients, regardless of age, sex or medical history.

Other conditions

Earlier research indicates that other cardiovascular problems, such as brain haemorrhages and burst blood vessels in the heart follow this same pattern.

Dr Martin Dawes, director of the Centre for Evidence-based Medicine in Oxford said the rise and fall in blood pressure during the day and night has been clearly demonstrated.

"There are a number of rhythms but the biggest drop in blood pressure is at night and then blood pressure rises just before waking and continues to rise with the activity of getting up," he told BBC News Online.

However, Dr Dawes, who is part of a national steering group researching blood pressure says there is still "a long way to go" before such information could be used to help identify people at risk.


British Heart Foundation

But I don't feel ill!

Information for people with high blood pressure and for their families and friends.


High blood pressure - hypertension - rarely makes people feel ill. In a very small number of people it can cause headaches, but only if the
blood pressure is very high.

Problems with sight, breathlessness and nosebleeds can sometimes be a sign of hypertension. But the only way of knowing if you have high blood pressure is to have it measured.

Why is high blood pressure harmful?

The fact is that the higher your blood pressure, the shorter your life expectancy. People with high blood pressure run a higher risk of having a stroke (which damages the brain) or a heart attack.

If left untreated for a long time, high blood pressure can lead to kidney failure and even damage your sight. It can also cause the heart to become abnormally large and less efficient (left ventricular hypertrophy). This can lead to heart failure, and further increase the risk of having a heart attack.

If you have high blood pressure, reducing your blood pressure by 5mmHg can reduce your risk of having a heart attack by about 20%.

Why Me?

You're not alone! Nearly one in four adults in the UK has high blood pressure. But you are luckier than many because at least you know you have it. Over a third of people with high blood pressure are not being treated and their health is at risk.

What is high blood pressure?

Blood pressure means the pressure of the blood in your arteries - the tubes that take the blood away from your heart to the rest of your body. A certain amount of pressure is needed to keep the blood flowing.

High blood pressure happens if the walls of the larger arteries lose their natural elasticity and become rigid, and the smaller vessels constrict (become narrower).

Your heart is a pump that beats by contracting and then relaxing. The pressure of your blood flowing through the arteries varies at different times in the heartbeat cycle.

The highest pressure (known as systolic pressure) occurs when the beat or contraction of your heart forces your blood around your circulation. The lowest pressure (diastolic pressure) occurs between heartbeats.

Blood pressure is measured in millimetres of mercury (abbreviated to 'mmHg'). A blood pressure reading gives two numbers. The first number is the systolic pressure and the second is the diastolic pressure. See information on how blood pressure is measured.

Target blood pressure for adults is 140/85 (140 systolic and 85 diastolic). If you have diabetes, your target is below 130/80. However, there is no fixed dividing line between normal blood pressure and slighly raised blood pressure. How these 'borderline' pressure levels are regarded varies between doctors.




You're not alone! Nearly one in four adults in the UK has high blood pressure. But you are luckier than many, because at least you know you have it. Over a third of people with high blood pressure are not being treated and their health is at risk...


Nosebleeds? You May Have High Blood Pressure..

According to recent reports, people who experience frequent nosebleeds may have high blood pressure. One medical journal reported that 30% of nosebleed patients had severe hypertension compared with just 8% of emergency room patients without nosebleeds. It is, therefore, recommended that people who experience nosebleeds should be tested for high blood pressure. High blood pressure can be a silent killer, increasing your risk for stroke and heart disease. You should monitor your blood pressure often and advise your doctor if your level exceeds 140/90.

To help control your blood pressure, reduce your sodium intake and increase your potassium intake, by eating more fruits and vegetables. Potatoes, bananas, and apricots are all rich in potassium. You can also add MDR Vital Factors to your daily wellness program. This potassium- rich effervescent tablet forms a tasty drink that nourishes your body with Biocell Protectors, antioxidants, and phytohormones for increased health and vitality.

To help keep your cardiovascular system in tip top shape, also take MDR CardioTone Heart Formula. Developed by Medical Doctors Research, it contains all nutrients you need to support your cardiovascular system, including Coenzyme Q-10 which has been shown to help keep blood pressure in check.

Source- Annals of Emergency Medicine 2000;35:126-130.