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startin a course of super sus and deca, 10 weeks . what is the best pct to do if any ? is that complete pct by the bbwarehouse any gud? cheers.
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No you need proper pharmaceutical Nolvadex (Tamoxifen). Read the article on post cycle therapy.
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There is that many different suggestions its really cunfusin me, with it bein my first cycle i dont wanna **** up. Ive been training for years but hit a brick wall. I just need to know the best way of takin this stuff, do i stick to just the super test 350 or will i be ok doing both? When do i need to take the other stuff like clomid. it wud be very much appreciated if sum1 cud help me plan this course out so i dont get a set of tittys! cheers guys.
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most people just take tamoxifen as pct. i just take 20mg ED for 3 weeks. works for me dont waste your time with the stuff you buy from shops like that. you will need to, like said above, get phama grade stuff. your supplier should have this
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Just run a simple test cycle at 500mg EW for 10 wks and then a nolva PCT. Have nolva on hand during cycle too in case of gyno symptons.
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jnr2006 Just run a simple test cycle at 500mg EW for 10 wks and then a nolva PCT. Have nolva on hand during cycle too in case of gyno symptons. Agree, or even 250mg a week would be enough especially as it's your first cycle...should gain well from that without blowing up inviting 'questions' :)
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cheers for the help guys, ive already bought the super test coz the stuff is hard top get hold of round here! shud i just do 350 of that a week? should i just take the nolva after last jab for 3 weeks? can the gyno symptoms be reversed once started? cheers.
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Before you stick that first dose, do a lot more research about what you're getting your body into. You should know all the different PCT options, from Clomid and Nolva, to HCG to Aromasin etc. You should know the difference between a SERM and an AI. You should know how to combat bloat and gyno, acne and hairloss, and you should have all your meds lined up ready to go before you fill that first syringe with the lovely goldenish oily serum. You should also do a lot of research on how to inject, what needle guage and size, the routine for injecting, the best sites etc. Also, make sure you have a very good diet planned, cut out all alcohol etc. Map out a good workout routine, deciding if you'll focus on low or high volume, compound or isolation, a mix, etc, training and diet, as anybody will tell you, is absolutely crucial if you want this to work. Also, you need a decent supplement regimine, nothing exotic, but still research what good supps to use to support your body during this time of high stress you're placing on it. After you do this, and a lot more I've left out I'm sure, then come back to the forum and ask questions about the research you've done. Its confusing sht, so its not bad to ask questions. But, since you'll be spending a fair bit of cash and putting your body under a fair bit of stress, you should devote a few hours every night for the next week or two of doing nothing but solid research, visiting all the forums. Reading all the info on all steroids and all ancilliaries. Trust me, it makes the whole cycle more enjoyable, because you're in control, not the steroids. And you know how to deal with any issues intelligently and efficiently. And when you are done with your cycle and pct, you'll be bigger, stronger and in the best shape of your life probably!
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ok, thanks for the help, everytime i start searching for advice on the best pct i always find myself in a forum with people arguing different methods, where would you suggest the best places to look up info? i didnt even think about supplements while i was on a course, i thought just some creatine maybe the odd nitro oxide before gym. my diet is good ive got that sorted, its driving me mad all this researchin! its turning out to be an expensive hobby this bodybuilding haha! i do know what your sayin, i wana get everythin sorted so i dont end up like the other dudes at my gym that jump on a course of sus and deca for 12 weeks with no diet or pct then loose all there size plus more!! thanks again for your input guys!
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....GO with Jnr2006 advice as well...if this is your first cycle, the deca might NOT be the best choice. Again, do your research and you'll find out why! However, as Partyboy will tell you, there is no way in hell I'm going to say the Sust is a bad idea. After being metaphorically beaten into submission, and probably in real life if he had it his way. Partyboy has convinced me Sust is just fine for a first cycle. Although, you're aware of the possible sides of Sust, and that its composed of four types of test (differing in their ester chains) right? And you should know why the ester chains are shorter or longer and what effect this has.
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looks like ive got sum researchin to do!! i dont know half of that stuff!!
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Simply type in PCT in google, grab a lager (you're not on the gear yet) or a hot beverage, and just start exploring and reading, take notes if it helps. Then you can decide the best course, which should really be based off your knowledge our your own genetic history and body. Take notes of the areas of conflict, and then explore that further. For instance, some will say chuck the Nolva, and run only HCG; some will say this is rubbish advice. Then others will say aromasin is the best choice, still other will try and flog 'PCT THERAPY' pills and advise to stay away from SERMS and AIs (which is BS by the way). Anyways, after you're aware of the debates, and have done your research, then you can start making your mind up. For instance, I always thought I had to run 60/40/20/20 of Nolva, but I know that I can do 40/20/20/20 and be just fine. There are so many other examples as well, and it just comes down to having as much information as possible, and being in tune with your body. If you do this, you can quickly respond to anything. For instance, I started shedding (hair loss) 4 weeks into my current cycle, but I had all the 'kit' I needed to respond to the 'crisis', and all if fine now. You need to be like a fine tuned combat unit, that can respond to any threat with extreme and efficient violence quickly and quietly, and with deadly force. Not some rag tag Afghan fighting force that can't do fcking star jumps!
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ok so im coming to the end of the 10 week cycle, i was gonna stop for two weeks then start taking 10mg of tamoxifen a day for 3 weeks, but ive been told it wouldnt do me any harm doing test cyp for an extra 3 weeks at 500 per week, then do the pct 2 weeks after the last shot? any advice would b great. ive posted in hear coz culdnt work out how to start new thread. i could be doing with a suggestion asap, thanks!
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Another 3 weeks won't hurt you, but its best to stick to your original plan, as 3 weeks will turn into another 2 months quiet easy. You must have missed the very informative article on here about pct during your research.So here it is. http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx Take particular note of the nolva paragraph.
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Re:pct help
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can any1 recommend where to buy letrozole? ive heard its good for preventing the dreaded gyno. i dont know wot the rules are on the site about giving me info wer to buy things so plz feel free to pm me, thanks guys
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Re:pct help
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Read my post on PCT and HCG advice it will explain everything you need to know.
My body is like a Walking Chemical Factory.
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