question for 'bigfella' regaring gyno prevention on deca

hi
 
this question is aimed at BIGFELLA as i rember reading a similar question he had answered,but was unable to refind the tread...but any input is welcome.
 
im curently on a test/deca cycle, and have used dbol as a kicker which i have no finishd.  in the past iv had issues with mild gyno from the use of dbol,but nothing major,and its always cleared up after cycle with use of nolva. 
a tiny lump has reformed were iv had in the past from the use of dbol,so just wanting to hault any futhur enlargment wilst i finish my current cycle.
 
if i rember correctly did u say a dose a tamx/nolva daily can help prevent/hault the issues of gyno on deca....if im incorrect on this,as most post iv seen say to avoid the two together, what wud ur advice be!? 
 
all input welcome,
 
cheers

Hi mate, steer clear of Nolvadex for gyno protection on that cycle, you need an AI like Aromasin, Arimidex or Letrozole.
 
Bigfella

Why steer clear ? Ive just started running nolva to combat my gyno on test/deca cycle. I normally run nolva when it appears and it does the job.

Because Nolvadex can increase the effects of progesterone on gyno at the receptor, Deca being a progestin which aggravates estrogenic gyno to a different level. All gyno is estrogen based and affected so best bet is controlling the estrogen. Nolvadex in that cycle can actually make gyno worse rather than improve it. An AI will fix it!
 
Bigfella.

Right cheers for that mate. Will get my self some letro asap.

No problem mate, as a rule of thumb guide:-
 
Any cycle that only gives rise to elevated estrogen, then a SERM like Nolvadex is all the protection you need for gyno and it may also reverse existing cases of lump type gyno.
 
Progestins (progesterone) alone are fairly inert and unlikely to cause any gyno issues at all.
 
Progestins (Deca/Tren) combined with elevated estrogen levels really need an AI to lower the circulatory estrogen which makes things safe again.
 
Bigfella.

thanks for the reply.
 
i think i have some letro lying about from a previous cycle,if not it shouldnt b to hard to get hold of again...pity i cant use nolva as im well stocked on that!
 
 
cheers

Nolva will be fine for your PCT mate and will also keep for future cycles that only have estrogen to deal with (Test, D-bol, Anadrol, EQ etc etc)
 
Bigfella.

I ran mine at 400mg p/w with 600mg test 400 p/w and i have seen some good gains, 7kg in 12 weeks and not lost any but i do eat well.. The gains are definitely watery in appearance though.
Up your iron intake while using it too as you can gain a very lethargic feel like i did..
Best part is the pump and the full look of the muscle due to the increase in nitrogen levels.. but when you come off that pump leaves you too & it really sucks! haha!

Worth a try pal, see how you get on.. Personally i prefer Dianabol for mass gaining.
 

Interesting read, i am on the same cycle however pre loaded nolvadex for a week before my first jab.
 
Now i take 1/2 a tab daily, After reading this i think i will swap to a AI.

What dose of AI would you recommend ?

Sharpiedj


Interesting read, i am on the same cycle however pre loaded nolvadex for a week before my first jab.

Now i take 1/2 a tab daily, After reading this i think i will swap to a AI.

What dose of AI would you recommend ?

Depends what AI do you have available mate and how gyno prone are you?
 
Bigfella.

Never expericenced any issues with gyno in the past, obv its something i worry about. Any AI i have to hand

Would you recommending stopping the nolvadex now till i get AI or still use this ?

Personally I wouldn't run Nolvadex mate and would get an AI.
 
Bigfella.