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kael9876

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reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 03:18
ive always had puffy ish nips. And after my last cycle they are a bit puffier.
they don't feel tender, or have any lumps (or at least i dont think so) but their
shape is not right.

is this reversible with nolvadex. How much should i take and for how long?
i want to get rid of this problem before starting my next cycle.
Current Cycle:
week 1-4 Dbol 27mg /ED
week 1-8 Sust (E2D) Every two days.

PCT:
hCG - starting four weeks before PCT
12-15 nolva 60/40/20

stats: 6'2" 13st 11lb 8% bf.
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RE: reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 09:52
if there is no pain on pressing them , no lumps or soreness then i have to say i dont think its gyno mate, youd know if it was. I think its more likely from what youve said that is fatty deposits, some people are prone to gaining fat on the pecs and nolva wont do anything for that. Gyno in my experience is very recognisable, can be extremely painfull, and has very definate symptoms.
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RE: reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 11:04
i agree - it doesn't sound like gyno to me

what body fat % are you?

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RE: reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 22:31
i have about 10% bf
im not fat at all, but my nips are "oval shaped" and protrude more than i would like them to
Current Cycle:
week 1-4 Dbol 27mg /ED
week 1-8 Sust (E2D) Every two days.

PCT:
hCG - starting four weeks before PCT
12-15 nolva 60/40/20

stats: 6'2" 13st 11lb 8% bf.
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RE: reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 23:09
mmmm!

can you post a pic?

if it's gyno it sound like the type you get during puberty.

there's no harm in trying nolvadex for a little while and seeing if it works - it's hard to say if it is or isn't gyno tbh but it's worth a try.

take 60mg day1, 40mg for a couple of weeks if it starts to reduce stick on this dose, then taper it down 20mg for a week then 10mg for a week.

ninja
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RE: reversing gyno - 23 February 2005 23:27

ORIGINAL: kael9876
protrude more than i would like them to


Sure your not feeling a bit cold
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RE: reversing gyno - 24 February 2005 13:31


ORIGINAL: kael9876

ive always had puffy ish nips. And after my last cycle they are a bit puffier.
they don't feel tender, or have any lumps (or at least i dont think so) but their
shape is not right.

is this reversible with nolvadex. How much should i take and for how long?
i want to get rid of this problem before starting my next cycle.


i've got the same problem as you mate. mine are a little puffy and oval shapped, not sure what my body fat % is though. When i'm cold and i get a nipple on (LOL) my nipples go into a round shape and look normal. Then when i warm up they go oval looking and puffy.

Roon Dogg
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RE: reversing gyno - 24 February 2005 16:30


ORIGINAL: Roon_dogg



ORIGINAL: kael9876

ive always had puffy ish nips. And after my last cycle they are a bit puffier.
they don't feel tender, or have any lumps (or at least i dont think so) but their
shape is not right.

is this reversible with nolvadex. How much should i take and for how long?
i want to get rid of this problem before starting my next cycle.


i've got the same problem as you mate. mine are a little puffy and oval shapped, not sure what my body fat % is though. When i'm cold and i get a nipple on (LOL) my nipples go into a round shape and look normal. Then when i warm up they go oval looking and puffy.

Roon Dogg


There are 2 types of gyno and this sounds like the 2nd type. I've got it too. Yes I have some fat around the outside of my pecs but I also have glandular tissue there too. You can tell because the glandular tissue responds to estrogen. If you take anything that aromatizes and your nipples puff up dramatically that's the glandular tissue.
I found that my nipples puffed big time beginning the day after I shot my first testosterone. adex is the answer for me on cycle, but I also have had @ 4 months of puffy nips now 6 months after my PCT. I found that after my last cycle, my pct ended, all was good with my cycle, and then when I recovered there appears to have been a rebound affect and I've either got overactive aromatization or overactive testosterone production because for the last 4 months I've had gyno symptoms. It's only now (this week) beginning to subside where my nipples look closer to normal.
You could be experiencing the same rebound effect. How far out from your PCT are you?
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RE: reversing gyno - 24 February 2005 22:26
it's been two months since PCT.
mine also look alright when i rub them or when its cold, but become puffy when normal.

im trying nolva 40mg ED to see if anything goes away, if that doesnt work ill try arimidex,
and if that doesnt work im considering surgery.

for how long should i run the nolva? im planning on going for two months or so
starting at 40mg per day and then coming down to 20mg per day.

Current Cycle:
week 1-4 Dbol 27mg /ED
week 1-8 Sust (E2D) Every two days.

PCT:
hCG - starting four weeks before PCT
12-15 nolva 60/40/20

stats: 6'2" 13st 11lb 8% bf.
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RE: reversing gyno - 24 February 2005 22:28
i'd stick at 40mg for at least 3 weeks then if there's o improvement start to reduce the dose. if there is improvement it'll have started by then and you could jsut continue at that dose till you're happy with the result then taper it down

ninja
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RE: reversing gyno - 24 February 2005 23:34
From the studies that I've heard about, Nolva doesn't show effectiveness in reversing 'soft' gyno. However, in my experience there probably wasn't an actual increase in glandular tissue, just a swelling of it in the presence of increased levels of estrogen. What you are experiencing seems to be exactly what I did (or still am). Right after my last cycle my nips were fine (while I was still shut down) but after I restarted my test production the gyno symptoms came on. I don't know for sure, but I currently am theorizing that this is due to a rebound in my test levels to much higher than normal (temporarily), and this results in a higher than normal level of estrogen due to aromatization.
I noticed that taking adex knocks my nips right back down to normal...I also have noticed the last few weeks that they are returning to normal on their own. (I'm about 4-5 months out of my last cycle).

What does this mean to you? Well if I'm right you are only experiencing activated glandular tissue (preexisting gyno), not a progression of gyno. So treating it with Nolva might not help. Treating with adex would. I suppose if I were you I'd be taking the nolva anyway just for peace of mind. Nothing freaks me out more than growing girl boobs.
The point is that I suspect you will see this go away in another month as your test levels drop back to normal (lower). That's not to say I'd ignore it, just hoping to offer a plausible explanation.
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RE: reversing gyno - 25 February 2005 09:33
good stuff rockwell

think it's hand that we share out own experiences on this as tbh it's pretty freaky stuff growing breasts!

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RE: reversing gyno - 26 February 2005 18:12
guys, do u think i should start taking nolva or adex. I did a roid cycle about about a year ago, with no knowledge about pct. I'm pretty sure i had weird lookin nips before the cycle. Do u think i should run a quick nolva or adex course to see if my oval nipples return to normal??? I'm thinking of doing a cycle over the next few weeks.

Cheers lads
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RE: reversing gyno - 27 February 2005 21:05
bump!

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RE: reversing gyno - 27 February 2005 22:46


ORIGINAL: Roon_dogg

guys, do u think i should start taking nolva or adex. I did a roid cycle about about a year ago, with no knowledge about pct. I'm pretty sure i had weird lookin nips before the cycle. Do u think i should run a quick nolva or adex course to see if my oval nipples return to normal??? I'm thinking of doing a cycle over the next few weeks.

Cheers lads
Roon Dogg


Can't say. I suppose it all depends on whether you have gyno or simply have fat stored there. No sense treating fat with nolva!
If you do think it's gyno and choose to treat it, I'd most certainly use Nolva. I use adex to prevent gyno while on gear, or to prevent estrogen related side effects.
I'd use nolva to go after established gyno....Although soft gyno doesn't seem to respond to nolva from what I've seen.
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RE: reversing gyno - 28 February 2005 01:41
if it is slight gyno i think its soft. Not sure weather to try some nolva and see what happens. any views theweeninjaguy?

Cheers
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RE: reversing gyno - 28 February 2005 16:33
nolva is pretty cheap and for the cost of one box of the stuff you'll find out if it works or not!

it's worked in my case although not in rockwell's case but then we know it doesn't work all the time - only about 805 of the time. it's worth a try IMHO.

60mg 1 day, 40mg till you see a difference (or 2 weeks) then 20mg to use the rest of the nolva.

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RE: reversing gyno - 28 February 2005 16:35
i'll have a go and see what happens, i'm thinking of running a roid cycle at the start of april, which leaves me with about 4 weeks to see if ne thing happens. Cheers Ninja

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RE: reversing gyno - 28 February 2005 16:38
ok if you're running a cycle again then use the adex through out or at least 10mg ed of nolvadex and try to avoid easily aromatized steroids like dbol

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RE: reversing gyno - 28 February 2005 16:58
cheers ninja, below is the cycle i was going to do

Weeks 1 - 4 30mg Every Day Dbol (5mg every 4 hours)
Weeks 1 - 8 Deca - 200mg Each Week
Weeks 1 - 10 Sus - 250mg Each Week
Weeks 11 - 13 Test Prop 1 ml Every 2 days

Weeks -1 - 5 Milk thistle 1000mg Each Day
Weeks 5 - 10 Provion 50mg Each Day

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop shot
Weeks 13 - 16 Day 1 - 60mg Nolva, Day 2 - 11 40mg Nolva, Day 12 - 21 20mg Nolva
Weeks 13 - 16 50mg clomid a day

Should I change this cycle to the below???

Weeks 1 - 8 Deca - 200mg Each Week
Weeks 1 - 10 Sus - 250mg Each Week
Weeks 11 - 13 Test Prop 1 ml Every 2 days

Start PCT 3 weeks after last sus shot
Weeks 13 - 16 Day 1 - 60mg Nolva, Day 2 - 11 40mg Nolva, Day 12 - 21 20mg Nolva
Weeks 13 - 16 50mg clomid a day

Cheers
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