Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP)

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:03:50 GMT

badladmark

I agree with partyboy- this seems a bit unrealistic (although I accept I could be completely wrong on that one).

If 1lb = 3500 calories, or thereabouts, you're going to have to have a huge deficit each day to lose 1lb per day. Personally, I can't see how you could be in such a deficit, and lose so quickly without losing muscle mass.

I would think a more gradual cut would be more sustainable and minimise the risk of losing mass.

You can't. The trick is to minimise loss- hence the high dose aas while running DNP.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:01:51 GMT

jnr2006

Whats your reasoning behind running both fast acting and slow acting meds together??Its quiet a harsh course your running IMO.

20 days on DNP at 600mg is alot.
A friend of mine ran it at 400mg for 10 days and after 5-6 days he couldn't sleep properly, he was constantly sweating and couldn't cool down. Had to sleep with the window open and a fan on him. he couldn't train after the 1st 6 days and even got out of breath walking up the stairs.

Very harsh. I wanted to use Tren ace, as mg(ester stripped) for mg(ester stripped) it works better than enanthate, and don't fancy running it without prop, hence the blend.

Your mate's experience is simelar to mine, but from your description mine was worse. It was hard to breathe while walking- limp dick- felt like death 24/7. If you've ever had the flu (not a bad cold- the real flu) it's pretty simelar a feeling though less pronounced.

I know what I'm getting myself in for.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:57:17 GMT

PartyBoy

steve124149

ever used DNP?

No. My experience tells me that 10% is perfectly achievable without going near meds such as DNP.

steve124149

lets say I consume 2000 cals per day, my maintainance is about 3500 (X2 on DNP) cardio 400 (800 DNP) that's there or thereabouts. figures I've given there are guestimates- but going on experience, I doubt they're too far off the mark.

I think you're hoping for a lot to double your expenditure. Why must you endanger yourself to such a degree for quick fatloss from 20% to 10% ? To be fair, the fat should drop off you without any meds easily down to 15% at least.

I've actually gone below 5% without any meds whatsoever before- don't know exactly what I was, they couldn't actually measure that low with the equipment they had. 10% is easily acheveable.

It's not actually hoping for a lot to double cal expenditure- it's a realistic honest there or thereabouts expectation.

Speed of loss is what I'm after. The longer you cut for the worse the effect on strength, size, even fitness. Besides, we all like quick results.

I don't think it's as dangerous as people make out- except in the hands of the illiterate.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (badladmark)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:30:21 GMT

I agree with partyboy- this seems a bit unrealistic (although I accept I could be completely wrong on that one).

If 1lb = 3500 calories, or thereabouts, you're going to have to have a huge deficit each day to lose 1lb per day. Personally, I can't see how you could be in such a deficit, and lose so quickly without losing muscle mass.

I would think a more gradual cut would be more sustainable and minimise the risk of losing mass.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (PartyBoy)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:23:42 GMT

steve124149

ever used DNP?

No. My experience tells me that 10% is perfectly achievable without going near meds such as DNP.

steve124149

lets say I consume 2000 cals per day, my maintainance is about 3500 (X2 on DNP) cardio 400 (800 DNP) that's there or thereabouts. figures I've given there are guestimates- but going on experience, I doubt they're too far off the mark.

I think you're hoping for a lot to double your expenditure. Why must you endanger yourself to such a degree for quick fatloss from 20% to 10% ? To be fair, the fat should drop off you without any meds easily down to 15% at least.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (jnr2006)

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:04:22 GMT

Whats your reasoning behind running both fast acting and slow acting meds together??Its quiet a harsh course your running IMO.

20 days on DNP at 600mg is alot.
A friend of mine ran it at 400mg for 10 days and after 5-6 days he couldn't sleep properly, he was constantly sweating and couldn't cool down. Had to sleep with the window open and a fan on him. he couldn't train after the 1st 6 days and even got out of breath walking up the stairs.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:31:27 GMT

alistairh

Good idea dropping the dbol,tren ace and prop, the high dose tren e and sust will be suffice to stave off catabolism, i also like your rep scheme whlist using dnp, having the reps any higher is murder to be honest and ruins training.

cardios a cnut and you will have to adjust that on how you feel on the day as you know, How you finding the high gear dosaging steve?, hows gains?

good luck

gains were great everything shot up quite quickly, though I was on anadrol, and have only just switched to dbol for 2 weeks- where strength has made no progress.

Have only been on for a little while- and was concentrating on boxing for the first 4 weeks (without the orals prop or tren ace) , then added drol- concentrated on weight and strength gains which came very well.

I did a major cockup l;ast time I used DNP, ran with almost no AAS support- in a cal deficiet and lost about 20-30% of my strength and an inch and a quarter around my arms. Never again. Still not quite back to what I was lifting in october last year, but if experience is the name people give their mistakes- I am now experienced.

Have actually had an idea on the AAS while on the cut
wk 1 250 sus 200 Tren E
wk 2 500 sus 400 Tren E
Wk 3 1250 sus 800 Tren E
Wk 4 back to bulking keeping wk3 dose constant for 10-12 weeks

What do you think?

Wasn't sure on the Rep range, thought I'd put it on here and get the benefit of others' experience, will update post DNP and let you know how it worked.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (All4n)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:26:37 GMT

Forget the long cycle and do the 2-3 day blast method instead. Repeat as nessecary leaving at least 1 week gap inbetween preferably 2 weeks. Much more manageable and much less chance of loosing LBM.

I beleive the LBM losses on longer DNP cycles are largely down to the fact it interferes with insulin production and carbohydrate storage. Not a problem on a 2 day cycle though.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:20:10 GMT

westy19

I can't really comment as i know nothing about dnp apart from it scares the sh!t out of me.

But that is one hell of a cycle you are on roughly 1450mg test and 950mg tren per week, what are you stats like?

Diabolical, I have trouble deadlifting what most people on here can bench.

Bench 120
Squat (arse to ankles) 90
Dead 160

DNP isn't as scary as it is makes-you-feel-****ty

Educated use will not kill you, abuse will.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:12:28 GMT

PartyBoy

steve124149

in the 20 day DNP cycle I hope to lose 20-25lbs of fat

That's all you can do, hope. The reality of it will be vastly different. DNP or no DNP, how do you propose to have a calorie deficit to requirements of nearly 4500 calories per day? Lets say you eat 2500 calories each day, you must then expel 7000 calories each day. Call me cynical, but I forsee a problem.

My advice;

forget dnp
nail your diet/cardio
aim for a sensible rate of fat loss, not cuckoo figures.

cuckoo? ever used DNP? those figures are far from unrealistic in my experience. Admittedly 1lb/day was on 750mg/day, but given the ambient temperature I really don't fancy going above that.

lets say I consume 2000 cals per day (1200apx on DNP (tef) ) , my maintainance is about 3500 (X2 on DNP) cardio 400 (800 DNP) that's there or thereabouts. figures I've given there are guestimates- but going on experience, I doubt they're too far off the mark.

advice you could give on diet/cardio I'd appreciate, but I really do see DNP as unrivalled for fat loss.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (PartyBoy)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:41:16 GMT

steve124149

in the 20 day DNP cycle I hope to lose 20-25lbs of fat

That's all you can do, hope. The reality of it will be vastly different. DNP or no DNP, how do you propose to have a calorie deficit to requirements of nearly 4500 calories per day? Lets say you eat 2500 calories each day, you must then expel 7000 calories each day. Call me cynical, but I forsee a problem.

My advice;

forget dnp
nail your diet/cardio
aim for a sensible rate of fat loss, not cuckoo figures.

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (westy19)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:19:29 GMT

I can't really comment as i know nothing about dnp apart from it scares the sh!t out of me.

But that is one hell of a cycle you are on roughly 1450mg test and 950mg tren per week, what are you stats like?

Re:Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (alistairh)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:01:13 GMT

Good idea dropping the dbol,tren ace and prop, the high dose tren e and sust will be suffice to stave off catabolism, i also like your rep scheme whlist using dnp, having the reps any higher is murder to be honest and ruins training.

cardios a cnut and you will have to adjust that on how you feel on the day as you know, How you finding the high gear dosaging steve?, hows gains?

good luck

Holding onto muscle while on a cut (DNP) (steve124149)

Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:56:25 GMT

Am soon to run a DNP cycle, mid way through my bulker. I'm about 20%bf atm, want to get to a nice 10ish.

Currently on
750sus + 600 Tren E/week
200 test prop + 100 Tren ace EOD
50mg dbol/day
1mg adex EOD

the DNP cycle will be 20days (600mg) and just prior to it I'll diet and cardio away 4lbsish in a week, in the 20 day DNP cycle I hope to lose 20-25lbs of fat, but don't fancy losing muscle or strength

I'm thinking of dropping the dbol, tren ace and test prop, but holding the high sus and Tren e dose. I'll be straight back to bulking after the cut- will even bump it to 1250 sus 800 Tren E

As for training while on DNP, I was thinking 5-6 sets of 1-4 reps once per week, (as well as cardio)

Anyone got any thoughts on training and AAS to hold onto muscle as I take the unholy plunge into the girls cardio zone of the gym?