Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!!

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (dazc)

Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:38:59 GMT

spencerslide

ive just got there Sus and Deca, will report back.

Ive also just "befriended" one of our biochemists......he may do a report on the compositions for me if he can sneak it...again will post up asap.

do you think he will stretch to doing a full analysis? lol

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (spencerslide)

Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:03:03 GMT

ive just got there Sus and Deca, will report back.

Ive also just "befriended" one of our biochemists......he may do a report on the compositions for me if he can sneak it...again will post up asap.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (BUFF STUFF)

Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:46:46 GMT

just started using WC sust.

Will have to check me vial!!

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:52:28 GMT

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Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:22 GMT

dazc

lets be clear about it though, the problem exists with ALL UG labs. there never has been and there never will be a UG setup that operates like a pharma company, because of the nature of what they are doing. even the ones that 'buy' pharma licenses in some of the less scrupilous countries arent any better, and will never be real pharma quality, because of the end user and market.

the best you can get with any UG lab is a balance of probability, and this can change at any time for any lab. and its fine saying pharma all the way, but fact is for a good range of the things we use, pharma isnt an option. then there is the problem of fakes, some of which are very well done (take the nordic viromone for example, or some of the schering fakes) and there is always going to be more risk associated with fake gear than ug simply because the reputation isnt theirs to lose.

a huge amount of the gear on the market supposidly pharma is fake. lots of people who think they have pharma really dont. most of the fakes are very hard to spot, even if your well versed and have held alot of different stuff, which for most of us isnt the case at all. look on the net, even with the best photos you will get mixed opinions on everything unless its shockingly bad. look at an old post of mine where i posted pictures of some niles half and half, yet i know they were fake, from thai markets.

abcesses are very rare, gear has BA or BB in, look at the reactions when a lab gets the concentration wrong! anyone thats homebrewed will tell you as well that if you put even a tiny % too much in the swelling is unbelievable. polutants and process chemicals and impurities are more of a worry to be honest. and this is common to all UG and fakes.

there are factories in the uk that pump out thousands of amps a week of viromone, all types of test supposidly eastern european, iranians, niles, deca etc etc. why? because people use it and dont know any different.

easy to say use pharma, and never a truer word spoken, BUT its not as simple as that.

I agree with everything you say.

When it comes to quality pharma & not fakes its down to your source, you need to have 100% trust that you are getting what you pay for.

I have seen many fakes, look at some of the Norma deca fakes they are almost identical, alot of work gose into producing fakes.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (bmc)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:41:24 GMT

dazc

good post mate

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (dazc)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:35:05 GMT

lets be clear about it though, the problem exists with ALL UG labs. there never has been and there never will be a UG setup that operates like a pharma company, because of the nature of what they are doing. even the ones that 'buy' pharma licenses in some of the less scrupilous countries arent any better, and will never be real pharma quality, because of the end user and market.

the best you can get with any UG lab is a balance of probability, and this can change at any time for any lab. and its fine saying pharma all the way, but fact is for a good range of the things we use, pharma isnt an option. then there is the problem of fakes, some of which are very well done (take the nordic viromone for example, or some of the schering fakes) and there is always going to be more risk associated with fake gear than ug simply because the reputation isnt theirs to lose.

a huge amount of the gear on the market supposidly pharma is fake. lots of people who think they have pharma really dont. most of the fakes are very hard to spot, even if your well versed and have held alot of different stuff, which for most of us isnt the case at all. look on the net, even with the best photos you will get mixed opinions on everything unless its shockingly bad. look at an old post of mine where i posted pictures of some niles half and half, yet i know they were fake, from thai markets.

abcesses are very rare, gear has BA or BB in, look at the reactions when a lab gets the concentration wrong! anyone thats homebrewed will tell you as well that if you put even a tiny % too much in the swelling is unbelievable. polutants and process chemicals and impurities are more of a worry to be honest. and this is common to all UG and fakes.

there are factories in the uk that pump out thousands of amps a week of viromone, all types of test supposidly eastern european, iranians, niles, deca etc etc. why? because people use it and dont know any different.

easy to say use pharma, and never a truer word spoken, BUT its not as simple as that.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:05:53 GMT

im sparticus

djbarry06

im sparticus

YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

What are you trying to say?
dont take it the wrong way mate. i remember a few month ago it was either on here or ukm and some guy said he found an ant in his vial when we all asked for pics he vanished. im in no way saying the same about you,but you have to admit some lads have there own agenda against certain labs
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/djbarry06/DSC01291.jpg

OK m8 no problem. I see what you are saying.

I was really looking forward to useing WC gear as all I heard was good stuff about it & dont get me wrong I gained from the sust & Deca I used, The deca was crystal clear btw.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (dean c)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:03:55 GMT

mate its not unlucky ,you dont want to be relying on luck where your health is concerned .it only takes once to get a potentially fatal abscess

ive handled thousands of pharma amps and have never seen anything like this ,yet i have seen and heard of this several times with ug gear

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (im sparticus)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:56:44 GMT

djbarry06

im sparticus

YPU SAY YHIS IS FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE,can you show the bottle form a top view to show the cap hasnt been tampered with

What are you trying to say?
dont take it the wrong way mate. i remember a few month ago it was either on here or ukm and some guy said he found an ant in his vial when we all asked for pics he vanished. im in no way saying the same about you,but you have to admit some lads have there own agenda against certain labs
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/djbarry06/DSC01291.jpg

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (bmc)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:16:21 GMT

i think you've just been unlucky i.e bad batch

i've never had any problems with wc

everybody is going to have a different opinion on ug labs

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:00:54 GMT

dazc

just to clear things up- you managed to use nearly a full 20ml of one that had the exact same thing, so you must have drawn from it at least 10 times, yet you never noticed? do you draw with your eyes closed? if its as obvious as your pictures suggest, then how could you possible not have noticed that despite having handled the vial many times?

and exactly where is this bandwagon going anyway?

I usualy have a look to make sure the oil is clear before I use a vail or amp, UG or pharma.

On my opening post I said that the first vail of sust had less of the particals than the second vail, the first vail I used had very little in it & was barly noticable, it was also move around alot so the paricals could not be seen. The partical are so small that they cant really be seen indavidualy only when they are settled.

The second amp of sust had been sitting in the same position undesturbed for a couple of months so the particals settled & were highly visable. I do NOT draw with my eyes shut!

What do you mean where is the bandwagon going??

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (dazc)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:56:19 GMT

just to clear things up- you managed to use nearly a full 20ml of one that had the exact same thing, so you must have drawn from it at least 10 times, yet you never noticed? do you draw with your eyes closed? if its as obvious as your pictures suggest, then how could you possible not have noticed that despite having handled the vial many times?

and exactly where is this bandwagon going anyway?

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (dean c)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:55:34 GMT

the particles arent a one off ,its happened to me many times before with different ug labs.i always closely inspect vials before using .
tbh there is always doubt in my mind when using any ug gear now ,i never trust it 100%

good point by partyboy as well ,if we can see stuff with naked eye then god only knows what the bacterial count could be

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:28:34 GMT

Exp. 2012/02

Both vails of sust had particals in them but the deca I got at the same time was clear.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (bert.edge)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:49:29 GMT

what batch dates etc have you got on yours? im currently using a dongle to connect to the net and it would take about a lifetime to load the pics.

Ive got 2 bottles of there sust, 1 prop 200 and a npp vial.
majority of the time they are laid flat so ive stood them up to see if anything appears.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (djbarry06)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:34:37 GMT

PartyBoy

MJH

Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

I would expect this to be the norm. Most will not have particles I'm sure.

That said, just one vial with quality control issues is one vial too many; and we have heard more than 1 report of problems. This sort of thing is almost unheard of from proper pharmaceutical grade steroid preparations, so the choice is yours.

I know which I would go for.

Another point worth making is that we generally only hear about issues like this where the problem is visible to the human eye. Frankly, I'm more concerned with what we can't see. Of course, this applies to any unregulated 'lab' setup.

That is a good point & very concerning.

I defo will not be using it, pharma test from now on.

Its not just the one vail that had the particals in it, I had 2 contaminated vails.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (PartyBoy)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:54:31 GMT

MJH

Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

I would expect this to be the norm. Most will not have particles I'm sure.

That said, just one vial with quality control issues is one vial too many; and we have heard more than 1 report of problems. This sort of thing is almost unheard of from proper pharmaceutical grade steroid preparations, so the choice is yours.

I know which I would go for.

Another point worth making is that we generally only hear about issues like this where the problem is visible to the human eye. Frankly, I'm more concerned with what we can't see. Of course, this applies to any unregulated 'lab' setup.

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (MJH)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:46:53 GMT

Just checked my sus, clear & no particles

Re:Somethings floating in my WC Sust !!! (strong_man)

Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:33:41 GMT

I dont really like this brand in regards to its injectables. I am still waiting on a reply for them in regards to there enanthate as I still got a lump from weeks ago in the right side of my glute as well as there being some sort of black particle right at the bottom of the vial. Should have flushed my money down the toilet instead :(