First cycle advice needed.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (smooth11114)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:37:58 GMT

You'll need to post in the correct forum mate - here

Re:First cycle advice needed. (no1turk)

Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:19:24 GMT

hi this my first post iv taken a cycle of d-bol before but now i want to move on to injectables but i dont no what to take and what cycle to do, my goal is to get big and big any suggestions on a cycle

Re:First cycle advice needed. (EnglishLion)

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:15:12 GMT

Spot on advice above

Re:First cycle advice needed. (body4life)

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:14 GMT

JayJayBee

Hi

This is my first post and first cycle so please be gentle.

Ive currently got some epithin-e...the epistane, havoc clone..basically the exact same formula but a little cheaper.

Ive been researching pct, liver and prostate support and have read the articles on this site, but i just want to post my plans to make sure im doing everything properly and get an OK from someone who has experience and knows about this before i start.

Ive also purchased some LIV 52 and Saw palmetto for liver and prostate which i shall start taking for a week before i start my cycle, and continue through the cycle and pct.

once ive completed my cycle of 30mg a day for 4 weeks..might ramp the first week at 20mg and the last 40mg...good idea? ill start taking Anabolic Extreme Advanced PCT the next day for 3 weeks whilst still taking the liv52 and saw palmetto.

Almost forgot, during this ill also be taking whey protein, creatine and ammino acids as regular.

Is there anything im missing/doing wrong with this plan.

As soon as i start ill log my progress in this thread.

Cheers

Alright mate,

IMO, i would run the epi for 6 weeks, 30-40mg+ each day, (i say 40mg+ as i find i need a highish dose of epi). The reason why i woulden't run the epi for 4 weeks is that, i find, Epi takes a while to kick in. Here's a a basic cycle-

Cycle-

1-6weeks 30mg each day (IMO, woulden't bother with changing the dose, unless you really feel the need too.)

PCT-

Nolva,
40mg, each day, week 1. (use 60mg for the first day)
20mg, each day, week 2.
20mg, each day, week 3.

Other supps
Liv 52 or Milk Thitle (run throughout the cycle and PCT)
Creatine (Not really needed, but i find it helps during PCT for strength)
Natural Test Booster, Trib, ect (Not really needed, may help your natural test levels during and after PCT)

Keep your water intake and EFA's (good fats) up.
Keep your cals' up if your bulking.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (smooth11114)

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:32:34 GMT

Have you thought of running it for 6 weeks as from what people say this is the optimum length as it doesn't "kick in" till the 4th week

Re:First cycle advice needed. (Stakmanrx)

Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:55:48 GMT

Most guys recommend a SERM during PCT as all the OTC stuff tends to be an AI like the 6-Bromo in Advanced PCT but it's certainly worked for a single run Epi cycle - especially since Epi isn't that suppressive as a standalone, having a natural SERM effect of it's own. But you can pick up Nolva/Clomid pretty easily or grab the Esto Suppress by Pharmalabs which is just Nolva anyway.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (CitizenKane)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:16:03 GMT

are you not going to run Nolva or Clomid for pct? Im by no means an expert on this, Ive never even run a cycle, but Im pretty sure most guys on this forum would tell you to use Nolva or Clomid for pct with any otc ds

Re:First cycle advice needed. (Stakmanrx)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:59:11 GMT

That's a good article but I'd put Halodrol clones up above them due to the actual liver enzyme values and some horrible lipid crashes in plenty of logs. Also Halodrol tends to dry your joints out and screw your libido for a long time. Epi at least tends to keep you dry without hitting the joints and doesn't crash your sex drive. All IMO of course.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (Stakmanrx)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:56:39 GMT

Well that's good! So many people neglect the EFA oils part.

Epi shows a fairly low liver and lipid impact considering it's a methylated compound.

The harsh stuff is obviously originals and clones of M1T, Superdrol, Pheraplex and for plenty of people Halodrol. I suspect M-1,4ADD is pretty bad too in these regards.

Having run the values myself Epi was one of the only methyls to not really impact me too badly at all, same for most people I know. But you should always treat methyls carefully.

I tend to run only non-methyl's nowadays but I would still use a good Epi clone here and there.

Remember with Epi type cycles you'll generally lose some fat as well as adding some lean muscle so your actual bodyweight might not change drastically but keep an eye on your waist fat measurements and you should see a good hardening up and a bit of new size as well.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (No.13)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:54:31 GMT

http://www.muscletalk.c...rticle-otc-steroids.aspx

Taken from the above article, h-drol is one of the mildest orals all the way up to sdrol, with epi and PP inbetween.

Re:First cycle advice needed. (JayJayBee)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:28:36 GMT

hey stakmanrx

thanks for the reply, forgot to mention i already take omega 3 fish oil everyday anyway, have done for about 5 years for overall health, so ive got that covered without even knowing it, ha.

Mild oral PH you say ?
which ones would you class as being strong, just out of interest.

BTW weighed myself this morning b4 breakfast and i was 83 kg.
I will post again when i start the cycle

cheers

Re:First cycle advice needed. (Stakmanrx)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:49:34 GMT

Looks very sensible for a mild oral PH cycle. The epithin-e isn't possibly the best Epi clone out there but I haven't heard any horror stories or anything.

Just remember to drink plenty of water and get your cycle doses timed correctly - and with a higher fat/oil meal to ensure maximum conversion.

Epi is a fairly quick acting compound so you can ramp the dose if you want but I always found the straight through 30mg per day was adequate for results.

The Anabolic Xtreme PCT also worked great for me.

Just remember your EFA's. A good mixed omega 3-6-9 oil supplement will give your cholesterol values a lot of cover and help with the oils needed to get maximum androgen conversion.

Good luck

First cycle advice needed. (JayJayBee)

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:13:29 GMT

Hi

This is my first post and first cycle so please be gentle.

Ive currently got some epithin-e...the epistane, havoc clone..basically the exact same formula but a little cheaper.

Ive been researching pct, liver and prostate support and have read the articles on this site, but i just want to post my plans to make sure im doing everything properly and get an OK from someone who has experience and knows about this before i start.

Ive also purchased some LIV 52 and Saw palmetto for liver and prostate which i shall start taking for a week before i start my cycle, and continue through the cycle and pct.

once ive completed my cycle of 30mg a day for 4 weeks..might ramp the first week at 20mg and the last 40mg...good idea? ill start taking Anabolic Extreme Advanced PCT the next day for 3 weeks whilst still taking the liv52 and saw palmetto.

Almost forgot, during this ill also be taking whey protein, creatine and ammino acids as regular.

Is there anything im missing/doing wrong with this plan.

As soon as i start ill log my progress in this thread.

Cheers