Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (Pariah)

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:28:17 GMT

I didnt know clen reduced cortisol. Is there any literature to back this up?

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (barndoor)

Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:51:08 GMT

Excellent read and a good find thanks for posting mrx eire.

The main thing to remember is one mans drink is another mans poision, so its about trial and error.Having said that ,this article kinda narrows down the different equations to a point, that you'de soon find which suits your body type , already having a rough idea of what works for you anyway, if you've done a few courses and pcts.

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (dyskee)

Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:33:10 GMT

very informative but i have been always lead to believe that cardio is a no no in pct?? any more enlightment?

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (jnr2006)

Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:49:42 GMT

Thats what I was thinking.Would be a case of having to crush the 2.5mg tabs

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (didless)

Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:35:54 GMT

jnr2006

I'd agree with most of it too but is the letro dose correct??

Letro: 3 weeks @ .25 or .5mg ed

going to be hard to split a letro tab into that dose i can see why its low as to high a dose would cause a rebound when coming off them.

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (ard-eoin tim)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:14:57 GMT

most of that above is mostly the same when i search for info about pct ,but the one that im finding conflicting is it tells you train harder for less time during PCT, ive found diffrent info an most say to train lighter when in pct

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (arnold84)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:01:31 GMT

good thread. thanks for posting

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (dementia)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:25:11 GMT

I'am not going to go into the different types of pct you can use because there are some many correct ways you just need to find out what work's for you

Agree with that

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (jnr2006)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:56 GMT

I'd agree with most of it too but is the letro dose correct??

Letro: 3 weeks @ .25 or .5mg ed

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (drab4)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:18:47 GMT

mrx eire

how can i turn the links into normal text

I've done it for you mate, as some of the links were not allowed

To paste stuff in without links etc, you just have to right mouse click on the page and press the "paste from plain text" button. Enter the text into the box that pops up and that should do it for you

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (angelfan)

Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:37:23 GMT

Very good read I agree with most things said.

Re:THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (ard-eoin tim)

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:25:06 GMT

how can i turn the links into normal text

THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD (ard-eoin tim)

Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:22:38 GMT

found this while i was learning abou PCT and thought id share it with yous ,do you agree with all of it

THE UNOFFICIAL HOW TO DO PCT THREAD

first off i would like to say that people keep asking which PCT should i do for a sust cycle (this is an exapmle) PCT is the same no mater what you take there is no specific PCT set for different compounds. If you are having a long cycle then the PCT will be longer in length you need to find out whats the best that works for you.

then we need to understand why we lose our gains during PCT first of the decrease in water that your body will hold because of much less amortization very low, to none existent test levels, high estrogen level's and high cortisol levels.

with any pct you want to use you want to essay yourself into it this is the first thing i always do to help my PCT if you using a longer ester like test ethanate then move to short one after you finished like test prop start this the day after your last shot of long estered test. Until 3 day's out from pct you should have already worked out when you PCT should start before you started to cycle. also if your using another compound that has a shorter half life E.G. var or winny then run it 24 hours before PCT starts no problem.

I'am not going to go into the different types of pct you can use because there are some many correct ways you just need to find out what work's for you i have done a 20 week cycle with out HCG now i'am not saying this is what you should do but i recovered fine without it.

IMO PCT should consist of one serm and one AI at the very least

one reason why i feel a AI should be used not only will it reduce estrogen in your body to get your test levels up quicker. But most of the bad side affects associated with PCT come from the high estrogen levels. acne depression gyno are just to name a few.

here is a list of some of the AI's and SERMS you can use these are just suggested doses and lengths and will differ from person to person.

AI's:
Arimidex: 3-4 weeks @ .25mg or .5mg ed
Letro: 3 weeks @ .25 or .5mg ed
Aromasin: 3-4 weeks @ 20-25mg ed
proviron 3-4 weeks @ 25mg-50mg ed

SERMS:
Clomiphene: 4 weeks @ 100mg ed first 2 weeks, 50mg ed last 2 weeks.
Tamoxifen: 4-6 weeks @ 20mg ed (40mg ed for first 2 weeks if you wish)

DIET this is so important that i carnet stress this enough. your body is in a VERY catabolic state low test levels high estrogen and cortisol levels. You need to eat more calories and more protein to give your body the fighting chance it need's to hold onto as much muscle as possible. IMO unless your competing putting on a bit extra BF should not be a problem and can be cut post PCT when your levels are back to normal.

CARDIO shall i still do cardio during PCT yes this is still important not only dose it keep fat down but also helps to strengthen the most important muscle and keep you fit. u can in PCT tho do less i would do 30mins at 65%-70% your maxim hate rate. this is very important to keep in these levels and not burn of any muscle i would do this a couple of days a week but everyones different.

TRAINING what i need to do is train harder for less time during PCT i might fit 60mins into 45mins try and not over training i have to up my intensity and this is very hard with low test levels i know this but you need to try get into the gym and out as quick as possible to get more food into you. keep cortisol down also because this will be raised during PCT and it will be a lot easyer to overtrain.

none anabolic steroids I.E. IGF1 SLIN HGH

these are very good tools to use during PCT because they wont hinder your recovery of HPTA yet will still help keep you anabolic

dont run igf1 and slin together IMO take igf1 during your initial 4 week PCT then 4 week's of slin straight after i also use these to bridge to my next cycle slin is very cheap yet DANGOURS and should not be taken lightly

HGH can also be used for a bridge and can be run with slin but if your using it with IGF1 reduce the dosage of igf1 if your administrating HGH during your pct and bridging.

dosages for these i'am not going to go into it personal preference plus it's been covered in the HGH SLIN IGF1 forum

CORTISOL

this is another main reasons that we lose muscle during PCT. because of an increase in protein catabolism. your test levels are very low at this point so your at your weakest.

causes of cortisol?

stress (this is probley the main one)
alchool
low test

what helps reduce cortisol?

clen
igf1
hgh
slin
phospidatly serine dosage approx 800mg
vit c dosage 3 gram plus
L-tyrosine 3 grams plus

HCG

Now there is lot's and lot's and lot's of way's to use HCG in your protocol the best way i feel is to use it the last 2-3 week's of your cycle up until PCT at 250iu per day

you can also run it thorough out your cycle some people use it the week at the halfway point of your cycle. Some people use it twice a week all the way through. you just need to find out what work's for you i'am just giving suggestions but keep the dosage low 250iu to 500iu per day no more.

BLOOD WORK

what to get checked out when you do get checked

> testosterone, total, free and weekly bound
> TSH
> cortisol, total
> t3, free
> t4, free
> igf1
> igfbp-3
> dhea sulphate
> hemoglobin A1C
> fasting insulin
> cbc
> comprehensive metabolic panel
> lipid panal
> GGT (important liver value)
> PSA

in my eyes you should get tested before the start of a cycle to make sure everthing is good to start. half way through a cycle to make sure everything is still ok especially if it's a long cycle and also about 4 week's after PCT to make sure your levels have come to the same point that it was before you started.

PROHORMONE PCT

Most of us, who have been on this board for some time, know that you need a PCT after a PP or SD cycle. New members ask why we need to take all of these substances after a cycle. During a PP or SD cycle, your natural testosterone production can shut down. For many individuals the reduced natural test while put a halt to your sperm production. This is a problem if you want to have a child. After you finish your cycle, it can take months before your body starts to produce test on its own. During this time, your strength levels will diminish, your body fat levels will rise, and you could suffer from depression and have the temptation to jump on again. This would only make matters worse.

What might a typical PCT look like?
Weeks 1-4 100mg of Clomid (SERM) and 25mg of Aromasin (AI)

Why not nolva? Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. Macrophage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with Macro, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.

What are some support supplements that I should be concerned with? Go to the supplement forum and examine, closely, Bryan2's stickie on cholesterol, liver, and blood pressure support supplements.

Because SD and PP are progestins, they can be hard on your libido and your ability to have erections, during PCT. I've found that 800-1200mg of tongkat ali to be a good choice for libido purposes. As for the ability to have erections, then the cialis (or viagra) is the only way to go. I prefer cialis because it stays in your system for 36 hours. This lets you be more spontaneous, which your woman will appreciate.

For those of you wanting to make sure your sperm count and motility are up to par, here are some supplements and research chemicals that can help: Arginine, Zinc, Vitamin C, Coenzyme Q10,