Core strength/stability work

Re:Core strength/stability work (CTR1)

Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:29:26 GMT

Russian Get Ups are a favourite of mine at the moment.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_best_exercise_youre_not_doing

Re:Core strength/stability work (adam_5kids)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:35:12 GMT

drewsky

adam_5kids

I bet you they cant! just because your your a heavy squatter doesnt mean you have an strong core. myself i can squat a pretty decent amount but working my core on a swiss ball kills me a lot more!

This is because the 'core' does different things and has more than one function.

THIS is why people who say 'all you need to do is squat and dead' are just as wrong as those who say ' fill in the blank [swiss balls, ab wheels etc] are best for core work'.

I wasnt saying the swiss ball was the only thing to work your core, just commenting on the person who said you only need squats!and no your right there is NO best workout for your core, same as every other part of your body, different things are gonna work for different people. it cracks me up when you see guys do the same routine week in week out thinking its the best, but never progress!

Re:Core strength/stability work (Drew Price)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:32:54 GMT

adam_5kids

I bet you they cant! just because your your a heavy squatter doesnt mean you have an strong core. myself i can squat a pretty decent amount but working my core on a swiss ball kills me a lot more!

This is because the 'core' does different things and has more than one function.

THIS is why people who say 'all you need to do is squat and dead' are just as wrong as those who say ' fill in the blank [swiss balls, ab wheels etc] are best for core work'.

Re:Core strength/stability work (cricket_fire)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:01:17 GMT

I'm not sure I agree with heavy walkouts being the best for core; they're good as a very specific exercise (for people who suck at walking weights out and/or need to get a feel for heavier weights), but in terms of strengthening the core muscles I'm not sure the risk/reward is in a good ratio.

I'm also not a massive fan of swiss balls; they're useful but way over-hyped.

Re:Core strength/stability work (adam_5kids)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:54:00 GMT

English.muscle

adam_5kids

INVEST IN A SWISS BALL, PLENTY OF THINGS YOU CAN DO ON IT TO CHALLENGE YOUR CORE. DONT LISTEN TO THE GUY ABOVE!

yer there is and its good for stability stuff but it wont strengthen your core to the degree heavey squatting and walk outs will achieve! I bet any decent heavy squatter can do all the exercises you can on your ball, but you cant hold half as much weight on your back as he can!

you wont the body of a ballerina then buy one!

I bet you they cant! just because your your a heavy squatter doesnt mean you have an strong core. myself i can squat a pretty decent amount but working my core on a swiss ball kills me a lot more!

Re:Core strength/stability work (English.muscle)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:47:16 GMT

adam_5kids

INVEST IN A SWISS BALL, PLENTY OF THINGS YOU CAN DO ON IT TO CHALLENGE YOUR CORE. DONT LISTEN TO THE GUY ABOVE!

yer there is and its good for stability stuff but it wont strengthen your core to the degree heavey squatting and walk outs will achieve! I bet any decent heavy squatter can do all the exercises you can on your ball, but you cant hold half as much weight on your back as he can!

you wont the body of a ballerina then buy one!

Re:Core strength/stability work (adam_5kids)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:34:09 GMT

INVEST IN A SWISS BALL, PLENTY OF THINGS YOU CAN DO ON IT TO CHALLENGE YOUR CORE. DONT LISTEN TO THE GUY ABOVE!

Re:Core strength/stability work (English.muscle)

Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:45:29 GMT

Leave the swiss balls at home!
load a squat bar with as much weight as you can handle, something HEAVY (300-400kg for example) and walk it out the racks, hold it for a few seconds and then back in again!!

That will get your core shaking!

Make sure you dont go stupid and hurt your self!!

Re:Core strength/stability work (fun meter)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:49:14 GMT

Odd question but is it particularly hard on the delts being a pressing movement?

Pallof Presses shouldnt be a problem on shoulders. I've done iso holds with 20kg, which takes some doing, and i barely press anything (volume or weight).
Just focus on bracing the core. Should even feel it working one side of your rec. abs. more.

Re:Core strength/stability work (Drew Price)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:46:25 GMT

fun meter

Although all these suggestions of compound movements and not needing to do anything specific have a place. They dont train your body in different functions, e.g. resisting extension, resisting rotation and lateral flexion. All they do is train anti flexion of the core.

People read this again and again, the core works in a lot of ways, train it as such.

hamiltonsfitness

Instead bring in squats and deadlifts, standing shoulders presses and bent over rows and you shouldn't need to do specific core strength exercises.

As someone who trains people for both function and injury prevention I couldn't agree LESS.

Re:Core strength/stability work (cricket_fire)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:18 GMT

Depends on relative strengths I suppose, but my shoulders and really weak and they don't feel it at all

Re:Core strength/stability work (Ak_88)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:38:23 GMT

cricket_fire

My current favourite is pallof press; cable or band (I much prefer band) at shoulder height to my side. Starting at chest, slowly push away from chest, hold, then back in. This'll be a good one since you've got back problems; there isn't any real movement in the spine, so it'll be minimal stress

I was looking at that the other day actually, looked quite good.

Odd question but is it particularly hard on the delts being a pressing movement?

Re:Core strength/stability work (dirtyvest)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:31:27 GMT

Nothing dramatic as I feel I get well covered in my day to day training TBH. However, I do bent knee fall outs as a preventative measure for my back probs, lots of stretching and do a little plank work on a swiss ball.

Re:Core strength/stability work (cricket_fire)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:26:31 GMT

My current favourite is pallof press; cable or band (I much prefer band) at shoulder height to my side. Starting at chest, slowly push away from chest, hold, then back in. This'll be a good one since you've got back problems; there isn't any real movement in the spine, so it'll be minimal stress

Re:Core strength/stability work (Ak_88)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:20:12 GMT

Thats the main reason i've been incorporating extra stuff CF - i seem to be over the worst of my back problems (touchwood) and i'm making damn sure i don't suffer a relapse.

Prevention is better than cure, especially when it's 5 minutes on the end of a workout!

Re:Core strength/stability work (cricket_fire)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:02:44 GMT

Chubbytackle

depending on your weight try and balance whilst stood on a swiss ball. when you can stand ok on it try squats on it. no bar obviously. your core gets a monster work out doing that.

possibility of injury falling off is there but its possible at the rugby club we used to stand on the swiss ball and do the passing the ball around the circle type drills.

(almost essential to have a spotter!)

imo unless you're training for the circus, I wouldn't bother with this kind of thing.

Also agree with FM; direct core work isn't needed for a bodybuilder but a bit of extra stuff can deff help with stuff like injury prevenetion/strength

Re:Core strength/stability work (fun meter)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:48:35 GMT

Although all these suggestions of compound movements and not needing to do anything specific have a place. They dont train your body in different functions, e.g. resisting extension, resisting rotation and lateral flexion. All they do is train anti flexion of the core.

Not saying anyones wrong, but most people dont consider other movements.

Re:Core strength/stability work (mishima)

Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:37:33 GMT

cleans, deadlifts, front squats, jerks....

Re:Core strength/stability work (Chubbytackle)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:54:38 GMT

depending on your weight try and balance whilst stood on a swiss ball. when you can stand ok on it try squats on it. no bar obviously. your core gets a monster work out doing that.

possibility of injury falling off is there but its possible at the rugby club we used to stand on the swiss ball and do the passing the ball around the circle type drills.

(almost essential to have a spotter!)

Re:Core strength/stability work (hamiltonsfitness)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:51:26 GMT

If you are mainly doing your upper and lower body workouts on machines then you will have core strength issues and the possibility of injuries.

Instead bring in squats and deadlifts, standing shoulders presses and bent over rows and you shouldn't need to do specific core strength exercises.