Epistane / havoc stack

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (Danny187)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:19 GMT

Thanks for the advice guys, i ended up with e - stane and X - tren, so i will be stacking any ideas shall i do one compound first then introduce the other or should i just do both together for 4 weeks, any ideas will be welcome.

ihave pct sorted now and have some excellent vitamin intake lined up during

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (Daari)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:24:54 GMT

Danny187

Hi im gonna do my first prohormone cycle and have decided to run ibe epistane/havoc, just a few questions

1 - if im stacking what is best way to take the tabs
2 - can i take preworkout ie no xplode stil and also can i take cellmass or should use after the cycle
3 - im gonna use activate extreme and lean extreme pct with gaspari novedex as i cant source a serm any ideas
4 - i will up protein intake during this cycle any ideas

Thanks any help will be welcomed

I would really stick to either epi OR havoc. 30mg of either is fine.

I would save the no-xplode and cellmass for PCT. You will get much better pumps whilst on cycle than what no-xplode offers.

Novedex alongside lean xtreme would suffice for PCT

Epi/havoc are known commonly as 'protein loving' compounds. I would eat at least 1g per lb of bodyweight

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (Danny187)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:40:23 GMT

So quick question if i stack epi / x -tren together how would i structure the tabs throughout the day,

thinking for pct will take Gaspari novedex, activate extreme, lean xtreme, also noxpode cellmass and nitrix which i already have

thanks

any other recomendation for pct or general health

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (PredatorNutrition)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:22:46 GMT

Danny187

Hi im gonna do my first prohormone cycle and have decided to run ibe epistane/havoc, just a few questions

1 - if im stacking what is best way to take the tabs
2 - can i take preworkout ie no xplode stil and also can i take cellmass or should use after the cycle
3 - im gonna use activate extreme and lean extreme pct with gaspari novedex as i cant source a serm any ideas
4 - i will up protein intake during this cycle any ideas

Thanks any help will be welcomed

Hi Danny

1. We offer Epistane and Havoc as a stack not because they should be taken together but rather as an inexpensive way to try them both, but for sure we suggest they should be used consecutively not together. The reason for the stack is that from feedback different epi brands seem to have different feedback from supplement users so it was provided as a way to compare the merits of each.

2. I suggest reserving NO-Xplode and cellmass until after the cycle is finished. The reasons for this are outlined below but basically they will help preserve strength post cycle used this way.

http://www.muscletalk.c...ost-cycle-treatment.aspx

3. I think that is a great way to preserve gains post cycle. Check the article for more info on this.

4. I suggest 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight during a cycle of any prohormone.

Hope that helps you out. Any questions do not hesitate to ask.

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (con1981)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:25:36 GMT

Would run one compound at a time otherwise you won't know which you respond better to.

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (Danny187)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:05:16 GMT

Cheers Thai, so if i order i might try Epi / x -tren then, and use novedex(gaspari) cellmass PCT and other suggestions

also before i order mate, any suggestions on how to stack i.e how many mg per day or when to take at certain times etc,

also should i run milk thistle when doing this

cheers thai

Re:Epistane / havoc stack (ThaiFighter)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:57:41 GMT

Danny187

Hi im gonna do my first prohormone cycle and have decided to run ibe epistane/havoc, just a few questions

1 - if im stacking what is best way to take the tabs
2 - can i take preworkout ie no xplode stil and also can i take cellmass or should use after the cycle
3 - im gonna use activate extreme and lean extreme pct with gaspari novedex as i cant source a serm any ideas
4 - i will up protein intake during this cycle any ideas

Thanks any help will be welcomed

1) Those two compounds are both epi - so no point in stacking. Stack with a Tren clone imo if you want to add something in, but just pick 1 version of epi...imo, they're all the same and any differences people have noted will be down to particular batches.

2) Yes totally - however, be aware any prohormone CAN increase blood pressure so monitor this. Taking stimulants can also increase blood pressure, so may be more of an issue with NO-Xplode. In my opinion, leave Cellmass for PCT. Any gains you'll get from Epi will be miles larger than those from a great creatine supplement, however Cellmass will help you hold onto gains made post-cycle because of the performance boost.

You need all the help you can get in PCT - use the Cellmass then :)

3) Novedex XT is a good choice in terms of OTC PCT - it's ATD based, so...imo...I'd taper it down:

4 / 3 / 2 / 1 caps for 7 days per phase - i.e week 1 = 4 caps, week 2 = 3 caps etc. This will leave you with around 10 days of 1 cap which is still a large enough dose to feel / see the effects. It also avoids any potential estrogen rebound (if that occurs - I'm still not a firm believer in this...but there's been reports...so might as well take it into account and there's no other downsides to tapering down).

More info on ATD here:

http://www.muscletalk.c...-post-cycle-therapy.aspx

4) Personally, I'd say 1.5g's per lb of bodyweight. This assumes you're on 1g per lb normally, and the additional testosterone increase protein synthesis :)

Good luck!

Epistane / havoc stack (Danny187)

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:34:20 GMT

Hi im gonna do my first prohormone cycle and have decided to run ibe epistane/havoc, just a few questions

1 - if im stacking what is best way to take the tabs
2 - can i take preworkout ie no xplode stil and also can i take cellmass or should use after the cycle
3 - im gonna use activate extreme and lean extreme pct with gaspari novedex as i cant source a serm any ideas
4 - i will up protein intake during this cycle any ideas

Thanks any help will be welcomed