Some questions on Dead Lifting

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (iaink)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:47:06 GMT

I havn't used liquid chalk but I hear good things about it, and the fact it's very low on the mess.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (GaryM1)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:42:20 GMT

Thanks Iain.

I had been using an over/under hand grip without straps but with straps I opted for a double over.

I keep seeing liquid chalk mentioned. Is it as messy as powdered?

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (iaink)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:17:35 GMT

Gary; Use a mixed grip and chalk.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (GaryM1)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:59:50 GMT

I've only just started to perform deadlifts as part of my pull routine.
I find I'm OK for 6 reps with 120kg but with 130kg on the bar I feel I'm losing control after 4 reps.
With straps I'm good for 6 at 130kg and 6 at 140kg.
If I chose to omit straps then I wouldn't be lifting over 120kg until my grip strengthened but my back workout would suffer until then.

I feel if I carry on like this then my back will get progressivly stronger whilst creating an even wider gap in respect to grip strength.

Any suggestions?

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (cricket_fire)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:49:15 GMT

Which part of my post do they disagree with?

I'm not a fan of straps unless needed (I use them for a couple movements when my hands are really torn up), but for a bodybuilder they're fine IMO

I was just pointing out that it's absolutely NOT impossible to get a good back workout, and that it absolutely does NOT mean you have a weak back if your grip doesn't fail. I never said bodybuilders shouldn't use them (infact I said otherwise), I just said that I personally am not a fan.

Bolton might've not been the best example, but there are PLENTY of strength athletes who can get a perfectly good back workout without the use of straps.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (teapot)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:38:20 GMT

cricket_fire

It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated

Yup.. where in a back workout is 1000+lbs used? If he can hold onto 1000lbs a 200lb pulldown should be a non-issue

I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

Grip strength isn't, and hasn't for a long time been a limiting factor in my training. I've used straps the last 8 weeks or so for certain exercises because Accutane has dried up my hands enough that it hurt to hold a bar.. now that I'm off I'll only be using them for the occassional high rep dumbell rows.

Good for you.

Few people here who would disagree with you though

http://www.uk-muscle.co...st-straps-they-crap.html

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (cricket_fire)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:06:23 GMT

It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated

Yup.. where in a back workout is 1000+lbs used? If he can hold onto 1000lbs a 200lb pulldown should be a non-issue

I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

Grip strength isn't, and hasn't for a long time been a limiting factor in my training. I've used straps the last 8 weeks or so for certain exercises because Accutane has dried up my hands enough that it hurt to hold a bar.. now that I'm off I'll only be using them for the occassional high rep dumbell rows.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (Dave284)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:03:34 GMT

DB rows aside I can honestly say I cant think of anything id ever use straps for. Maybe rack pulls to save my hands a bit. Personally, I dont think they are necessary at all.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (teapot)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:30:46 GMT

cricket_fire

I'm not a fan of straps unless needed (I use them for a couple movements when my hands are really torn up), but for a bodybuilder they're fine IMO

and on the whole a good back workout will be impossible without them. If your grip never fails then you have a very weak back

Seriously? Let's change that too "if your grip fails, you have weak hands/forearms". It's all relative; Andy Bolton has pull 1000+lbs without straps.. is his back weak? What a rediculous statement

It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated. I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (iaink)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:48:04 GMT

I totally agree with CF on the above point. Heavy dumbbell rows are the only back lifts I need straps.. If you want it and train for it you grip can exede even the strongest back strength. Off course most don't take the time to do this (myself included if you note I do use straps for d rows)

I would to also point out that unacceptable language has continued to be used after warnings from moderators!!!!

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (cricket_fire)

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:24:04 GMT

I'm not a fan of straps unless needed (I use them for a couple movements when my hands are really torn up), but for a bodybuilder they're fine IMO

and on the whole a good back workout will be impossible without them. If your grip never fails then you have a very weak back

Seriously? Let's change that too "if your grip fails, you have weak hands/forearms". It's all relative; Andy Bolton has pull 1000+lbs without straps.. is his back weak? What a rediculous statement

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (English.muscle)

Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:18:56 GMT

because i shrug with an overhand grip, you try do that with 360kg for 8 reps and see if the bar stays in your hands

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (The Main Man)

Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:16:14 GMT

English.muscle

300kg deadlift and 180kg bent rows for 5's....yes my back is very weak. guess what my grip never fails, on anything!
the only thing i use straps for is shrugging.

straps are gay and so are you!

Hmmm, so you do use straps. Your grip MUST fail then. Please Explain why straps are gay but YOU use them.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (LMC)

Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:29:08 GMT

English.muscle - very good lifting but very bad posting attitude. I have sent you a PM, please heed the message.

Back OT, an alternate grip is stronger than a double overhand grip but does increase the possibility of developing musclar imbalances due to a mixture of supinated and pronated grip.

In the world of BBing, using straps to DL is not necessarily a bad thing. PLing obviously not so.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (iaink)

Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:07:11 GMT

Stop the stupid name calling please! Unacceptable behaviour here on MT.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (English.muscle)

Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:36:32 GMT

300kg deadlift and 180kg bent rows for 5's....yes my back is very weak. guess what my grip never fails, on anything!
the only thing i use straps for is shrugging.

straps are gay and so are you!

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (teapot)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:15:22 GMT

English.muscle

stidge20

Just a quick reply total, even though you say you want to post a decent lift before you upload a vid, i would be careful and post a video up now when you are in the 120s. Or just get advice from a decent PT.

I used an overhand/underhand grip when it got heavy, form was always good generally. I think Iwas deading 180 at the time but due to the grip my right side got too strong and i was slightly abducting on the way up (I always tried to balance out swapping round which hand was underhand) but in the end i got a nasty injury. I switched up to hook grip and re-reviewed by entire setip. Jsut a note to be careful.

Oh and I think 2.5x B/W is a benchmark in DL strength.

That is total crap!!
an overhand/underhand grip is best and allows you to handle more weight! You probably had a slight twist in your hips at some point which lead to further injury! This is all due to ****ty technique! hence the emphasis on good form! to be honest total, i would make sure your technique is good before attempting max's. ive seen many a back injury from curving the spine during the lift and these injures can be hard to recover from!

You would need to freakish forearm strength to hold 300+ kg with a hook grip! And dont you dare say 'use straps' because thats just as gay as your post!!

Using straps is not gay you moron. Generally your back will be stronger than your grip, and on the whole a good back workout will be impossible without them. If your grip never fails then you have a very weak back. There are many people who use straps including your Mr Olympias.

Also using an overhand grip with straps means you are unlikely to suffer a bicep tear.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (The Main Man)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:59:07 GMT

Yeah never use straps, get some liquid chalk.
Overhand/underhand all the way.
One thing I always see on Dead Lifts are people trying to lift a weight they know they cannot do, and as above they curve the spine or another thing I hate is people bouncing the bar on the floor, if your not controlling the movement all the way up AND down, then your not doing it correctly.

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (English.muscle)

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:59:33 GMT

stidge20

Just a quick reply total, even though you say you want to post a decent lift before you upload a vid, i would be careful and post a video up now when you are in the 120s. Or just get advice from a decent PT.

I used an overhand/underhand grip when it got heavy, form was always good generally. I think Iwas deading 180 at the time but due to the grip my right side got too strong and i was slightly abducting on the way up (I always tried to balance out swapping round which hand was underhand) but in the end i got a nasty injury. I switched up to hook grip and re-reviewed by entire setip. Jsut a note to be careful.

Oh and I think 2.5x B/W is a benchmark in DL strength.

That is total crap!!
an overhand/underhand grip is best and allows you to handle more weight! You probably had a slight twist in your hips at some point which lead to further injury! This is all due to ****ty technique! hence the emphasis on good form! to be honest total, i would make sure your technique is good before attempting max's. ive seen many a back injury from curving the spine during the lift and these injures can be hard to recover from!

You would need to freakish forearm strength to hold 300+ kg with a hook grip! And dont you dare say 'use straps' because thats just as gay as your post!!

Re:Some questions on Dead Lifting (The_West)

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:55:50 GMT

and what was the "nasty injury"

Some questions on Dead Lifting

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