protin shake before training ?

Re:protin shake before training ? (bodyforum)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:23:23 GMT

Taking protein shakes before training help you to get an extra boost in your training (most protein shakes include other additives to boost energy).
Taking protein shakes after training gives the maximum muscle gain as that's the time when the muscles need food to replenish and grow.

Re:protin shake before training ? (Big Les)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:33:56 GMT

I recommend glutamine -
before breakfast when fasted
and at other times - usually at least 15g a day - to support the immune system and to provide a conditionally essential amino acid in abundance for anyone I advise who is competing because a comp prep I feel is stressful enough on the body to warrant this.

For others - again - given the cheapness of bulk buying glutamine - i advice the above as a great insurance.

of course - remember when starting glutamine to take no more than 5g at a time - and to taper up spending a few days at 5g, then each increment up to your intended intake.
glutamine has a reputation of being a rather excellent laxative when you have gotten accustomed to it !!!!!

Re:protin shake before training ? (yungdest81)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:04:50 GMT

Lex_BBW

No worries buddy :) if anything I would highly recommend L-Glut pre and post as this has really done the trick for me with regard to reduced DOMS and recovery

Amen to that.

Re:protin shake before training ? (Lex_300)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:30:03 GMT

No worries buddy :) if anything I would highly recommend L-Glut pre and post as this has really done the trick for me with regard to reduced DOMS and recovery

Re:protin shake before training ? (UKMAN)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:50:58 GMT

Cheers lex !

Re:protin shake before training ? (UKMAN)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:49:29 GMT

its only a protien shake boys ! no trouble ! or is there history!

Re:protin shake before training ? (Lex_300)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:47:54 GMT

Isn't there a case for the uptake rates pre exercise being better than those afterwards due to hormonal changes and "flight or fight" like stimulus having an affect on uptake post workout (similar theories with fast acting carb intake times).

I'm sure there's enough out there to read up on if you do a search.

I'd say both are important and I would never not have my PWO intake but adding in a pre from what I've read up on is not a bad idea but you should of course be taking in a good protein and low Gi meal pre workout anyway. Your timings would just differ with the obvious difference in digestive times assocoated with your pre-workout choice of solid or supplement.

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:51:25 GMT

drewsky

R3261

get an athlete to spend a considerable amount of money on a similiar product, combine it with your consultation fee and expertise telling them it is going to do x better, root it in the OCD nature of sport and that's a mighty tasty bowl of placebo

You seem to have a skewed picture of the enviroment.

The majority of sports nutrition packages aren't delivered like this and the one-to-one work in clinic is not something you would use to form an opinion due to the diverse range of individuals, demands, lifestyles etc, again it's like n=1.

No, the above might be true if half the time they new what they were getting (or understood or cared) or, indeed, paying out of their own pocket for my services, it's more like 'there's shakers provided, this one has my name printed on it, I'll drink it'. Med/Sci teams are there to think about this so the athlete and even coaches don't have to.

As for possible mechanisms, I don't know, there's a variety of things you'd look at. Many who benefit also seem to get ill less often which you would expect to be a significant factor in performance and stats improvements but that throws up more questions than answers....

Hopefully one day we will have some answers but the amount of money available for research unconnected with interested parties as you know is small, so we go on relying on a little research here and there and inferences from other areas.

I'll take your word for it

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:17:24 GMT

R3261

You'd be the first to notice that n=1!

n=1

funny

but as it is personal testimony is a weak form of evidence. for every positive review there is an equally valid negative review.

I believe in Pixies but without objective evidence it don't mean nadda

Agreed there mate!

Although if believing in pixies improves health*, performance, or bodycomp then I am sure we can rustle up a Toadstool Consultant from somewhere!

*mental aside, obviously.

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:13:03 GMT

R3261

get an athlete to spend a considerable amount of money on a similiar product, combine it with your consultation fee and expertise telling them it is going to do x better, root it in the OCD nature of sport and that's a mighty tasty bowl of placebo

You seem to have a skewed picture of the enviroment.

The majority of sports nutrition packages aren't delivered like this and the one-to-one work in clinic is not something you would use to form an opinion due to the diverse range of individuals, demands, lifestyles etc, again it's like n=1.

No, the above might be true if half the time they new what they were getting (or understood or cared) or, indeed, paying out of their own pocket for my services, it's more like 'there's shakers provided, this one has my name printed on it, I'll drink it'. Med/Sci teams are there to think about this so the athlete and even coaches don't have to.

As for possible mechanisms, I don't know, there's a variety of things you'd look at. Many who benefit also seem to get ill less often which you would expect to be a significant factor in performance and stats improvements but that throws up more questions than answers....

Hopefully one day we will have some answers but the amount of money available for research unconnected with interested parties as you know is small, so we go on relying on a little research here and there and inferences from other areas.

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:02:26 GMT

You'd be the first to notice that n=1!

n=1

funny

but as it is personal testimony is a weak form of evidence. for every positive review there is an equally valid negative review.

I believe in Pixies but without objective evidence it don't mean nadda

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:43 GMT

get an athlete to spend a considerable amount of money on a similiar product, combine it with your consultation fee and expertise telling them it is going to do x better, root it in the OCD nature of sport and that's a mighty tasty bowl of placebo

of course we could discuss why it would work better instead?

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:46:25 GMT

Yes but I am talking about a range of athletes with a range of different needs, seems you're just talking from your own experience. You'd be the first to notice that n=1!

This is quite an important factor because most people aren't going to notice a difference, other than in their wallet.

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:25 GMT

I have also tried a WPH in the past to no beneficial results.

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:08:02 GMT

R3261

I'm fine with that.

Good, I'm glad.

R3261

although I don't know many people who have trouble downing a scoop of whey with whatever.

Which was my point

R3261

plus hydrolysates taste awful

Not if you mix it with the right flavours!

Some tolerate hydr'd proteins better (unconnected with allergy issues), I have also seen improvements in recovery substituting them for whey with clients.

Re:protin shake before training ? (UKMAN)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:59:55 GMT

Cheers chaps ! Seems to be a wealth of knowledge here !

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:12:47 GMT

so the distinction between hydrolysate, isolate and intact whey is one of comfort rather than an issue of digestion/absorption, i.e. the research doesn't suggest any difference between either

I'm fine with that. although I don't know many people who have trouble downing a scoop of whey with whatever. plus hydrolysates taste awful

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:46:33 GMT

Obviously.

Have a little steak, tuna, some cottage cheese even a milk protein concentrate shake then go train immediately and come back to me....

Whey, HC or HW are easier on the stomach and whey is more palatable when mixed with carb drinks.

Re:protin shake before training ? (R3261)

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:28:52 GMT

obviously?

Re:protin shake before training ? (Drew Price)

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:59:28 GMT

Depends what form you're talking about. Obviously a whey isolate or hyro'd protein is the choice here.

15-20g in the 15-30 mins before has a real world effect upon recovery (espcially when teamed with some CHO).