HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===---

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (Milo)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:39:19 GMT

I honestly can't answer the question. It depends on what country you are in and what your insurance covers. It might be close to free, as it is preventive care, yes?

ibrox lad

Milo

#1, consult a physician. Seriously. For all you know, you could have a valve problem or something else. Steroids do enlarge the heart (it's a muscle). At the very least you should consider using a mild dose of blood pressure medication, like micardis.

how long does it take to get your heart checked and its expesive if i was to go private

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:49:11 GMT

Milo

#1, consult a physician. Seriously. For all you know, you could have a valve problem or something else. Steroids do enlarge the heart (it's a muscle). At the very least you should consider using a mild dose of blood pressure medication, like micardis.

1st thing i did when i got back home from overseas was go to hospital
they had me hooked up to ECG machines and did blood tests for 7hours
im not sure wether or not they can find valve issues in the testing they did but they said the heart was fine and enzymes were all in check and no sign of damage or "episode" as they called it..referring to heart failure or attack i guess.
they pretty much wrote me off as hypertention due to steroid use.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (ibrox lad)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:32:31 GMT

Milo

#1, consult a physician. Seriously. For all you know, you could have a valve problem or something else. Steroids do enlarge the heart (it's a muscle). At the very least you should consider using a mild dose of blood pressure medication, like micardis.

how long does it take to get your heart checked and its expesive if i was to go private

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (ibrox lad)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:31:08 GMT

ibrox lad

M_3174

has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

man i got heart pulpatitions on anadrol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

(had to edit as it was anadrol)

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (Milo)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:09:41 GMT

#1, consult a physician. Seriously. For all you know, you could have a valve problem or something else. Steroids do enlarge the heart (it's a muscle). At the very least you should consider using a mild dose of blood pressure medication, like micardis.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:15:14 GMT

Papa Lazarou

For a start, 2 litres isn't enough - more like 5-6 at least. Drink, drink, drink.

Anyhoo, as said i'd personally avoid anything that heavily increases BP. This inludes the likes of tren and drol and to a less extent, dbol.

Safer meds would be:

Var
Primo
Low dose test
Tbol
Winny

Probably not what you want to hear but deca can increase BP and tren certainly does in most people. Also higher dose test cycles will do a similar job as tren increasing BP.

End of the day, AAS is great for muscle, but who gives a f/_/ck if you only get a good looking corpse?

thanks for your post dude, i hear ya when you say gears not worth dying for but i gues im still in denial that this might be a bad episode, and that its only the "type" of gear used at the time.

if i were to try something again, would you give thumbs up to 200mg test prop eod and 200mg primo eod? (while running letro @ 1mg daily and drinking a truck load of water)

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (Papa Lazarou)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:08:22 GMT

For a start, 2 litres isn't enough - more like 5-6 at least. Drink, drink, drink.

Anyhoo, as said i'd personally avoid anything that heavily increases BP. This inludes the likes of tren and drol and to a less extent, dbol.

Safer meds would be:

Var
Primo
Low dose test
Tbol
Winny

Probably not what you want to hear but deca can increase BP and tren certainly does in most people. Also higher dose test cycles will do a similar job as tren increasing BP.

End of the day, AAS is great for muscle, but who gives a f/_/ck if you only get a good looking corpse?

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:32:39 GMT

ibrox lad

M_3174

has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

man i got heart pulpatitions on anabol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

Im feelin very much the same, overseas my water intake was about 2litres a day and in that heat should probably be alot more... I told myself i'd never take gear again but then i figured i would throw out a few question on the boards to see if anyone else has experienced sides like mine and what they did to avoid them and continue using gear.
im determined to try and find out what exactly is causing my problems and if its just my body then im more than willing to wlak away from gear forever, but the fact that the problems go away a few weeks after ive finished cycle point at gear,, wether it be water...or eastrogen i dont know and hoping someone who has had similer experiences and worked thru it can help

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (ibrox lad)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:39:45 GMT

M_3174

has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

man i got heart pulpatitions on anabol .My diet was really bad and was only drinking about 1.5 litre max a day
i have 12 weeks of test with adex and nolva for pct but im in 2 minds to take it as ive been getting some pulpatitions lately and it has me thinking that ill die or something simular

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (MrBigorexia)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:54:40 GMT

Yes, while running the compound. And in the absence of aromatisable gear. And many weeks after my own HPTA has shut down.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (teapot)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:50:05 GMT

MrBigorexia

teapot

if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Tamoxifen and raloxifene are still the only two drugs that successfully control my PROGESTERONE (19nor based) gyno.

Whilst you are running a 19nor compound? Or afterwards?

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (MrBigorexia)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:24:48 GMT

teapot

if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Tamoxifen and raloxifene are still the only two drugs that successfully control my PROGESTERONE (19nor based) gyno.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (MrBigorexia)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:21:56 GMT

Anything which causes a heart arrhythmia should be considered dangerous. In all honesty, you should probably never use steroids ever again.

Since that isn't likely, I would recommend at the least to avoid strong androgens. This is not just about water retention raising BP. Steroids like Tren are notorious for raising BP, and I would speculate have more impact on causing your 'palpitations' than less androgenic steroids.

Next up, you may need to consider a drug to control your raised BP while on cycle. This might be something like an ARB (eg Losartan); old school bbers used to use Clonidine (catapres) for the same purpose (and trying to boost GH). This is something you'd be best served talking to your GP about, rather than simply self-administering.

In terms of arrhythmias, the drug of choice is usually Flecainide, but again, it's not something you should just self-administer, particularly as it does have sides and some interactions.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (teapot)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:58:13 GMT

M_3174

excuse my ignorance but may i ask why?
i was always a fan or arimidex but in thailand it costs a heap so was forced to use nolva

Well it wont reduce water retention for a start as it has no control over the amount of estrogen in the body. Secondly if you were to develop estrogen related gyno the nolva is a fine choice, but if your running a 19nor compound like tren or deca and develop gyno, well then it may be progesterone related and so will of be no benefit and may make it worse.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (All4n)

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:10:27 GMT

Water retention can cause blood pressure or rise. Test/deca can both cause water retention. Tren does not. I'm guessing your sust/deca cycles were bulking cycles and the tren more of a cutter? This would indicate diet also has something to do with it.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:37:54 GMT

excuse my ignorance but may i ask why?
i was always a fan or arimidex but in thailand it costs a heap so was forced to use nolva

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (teapot)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:33:47 GMT

The last thing you want to do is use nolva with deca.

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:24:02 GMT

i failed to mention i was running nolva soon as i felt sensitivity in the chest this time round nolva 1 day 1 arimidex eod, but can eostrogen cause the blood pressure and sides that i was getting?

has anyone else ever had high blood pressure and heart palpitations late in there cycles and its gone after finished?

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (stewedw)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:17:49 GMT

two comments mate, firstly a roper AI and proper dose would be what I'd try, eg aromasin or adex. I find aromasin at 12.mg e/d is fine kepoing bloat and related sides away.

If this doesn't work I'd change gear, simply put mate sust and deca have caused you problems tice, once at a high dose, the other at a moderate dose therefore I wouldn't use them together, deca is known for bloat so why not run test n tren or test and mast etc?

plently other meds other than deca, hoever if the culprate is estrogen and bloat then up the water intake and try an AI, prov did nowt for me other than libido and mood wereas 12.5mg of aromasin is a godsend

hope this helps mate

Re:HEART ISSUES!!?? ---=== ADVICE NEEDED ===--- (M_3174)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:29:46 GMT

yes i kno i screwed up 1st time round but being in thailand and having access to anything like a kid in a candy store led me to that cycle lol not the smartest thing ive done.

2nd cycle that i experienced this was very mild compared to the first, im trying to work out wether it could be the types of gear used..the time i was on....the climate....or just my body in general.

im hoping someone out there knows what it could be
and could possibly tell me if i can cycle again and if so whats best for me