Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar?

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (dailos81)

Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:09:37 GMT

i found the cycle advise from Matt Cahill very enteresting could any experience AAS and DS users comment on that cycle.

epi, hdrol maybe sd for closest to anavar it dont beat it tho imo.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:50:47 GMT

I have seen it used for a few days at 50mg, mainly by people running it at 30mg initially. From memory it was only a few days but they definitely noticed very visible improvements.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:48:35 GMT

Has anyone used cynostane at 50mg?

What sort of cycle length would AI recommend at 50mg? Maximum of 6 weeks?

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:12:36 GMT

Just to add that I asked AI to contribute on this thread and they emailed the following to me:

" -Well my opinion may be biased but with respect to Anavar I feel Cynostane is about as close as you can get. I am not just saying this to pump up the product or anything like that, if you have seen how we have marketed we have not attempted to hype anything, we just want the product to speak for itself, we are honest people. I feel that if you give Cynostane a chance you will see what I am referring and see that the effects are very similar to that of Anavar. The muscle hardening effects are most closely related and of course the low hepatotoxicity is also correlated. Epistane is a fantastic compound and it took us almost two years and 5 test compounds to find one that would fill a nitch and compete with it. I think Epi is in its own class as far as what it is similar, but I always thought it was like 1-T with MUCH less lethargy but more hair loss. We just feel Cynostane is more versatile, can be run in a wider array of dosages with minimal side effects, stacked due to low toxicity, and run more frequently."

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:22:19 GMT

I will say if people are using up to 80mg of anavar then Cynostane at 50mg would be a superior choice based on the fact that logs are showing very good recomping and strength gains at a lower dose of just 30mg right now.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (meat 05)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:40:41 GMT

Daari

what dose of epi compared to what dose of 'var, IYO?

40mg epi=80 mg var,although the var i used was from a ugl with a hit and miss reputation,i would assume most ugl var,with the raw materials being expensive compared to most is at best underdosed or worst not even var!

so maybe my comparison is not the most accurate,i do rate epi highly however.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Dav)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:27:26 GMT

I've only ever taken Epi (up to 50mg) and not Anavar so personally can't compare. But and I am not recommending this a number of guys on some of the US boards are experimenting with Epi at much higher doses to those that are recommended here. Apparently 80-100mg and from those that have used at this dose the "magic" starts. As I have said I am not recommending this just relaying the info. For me the only "magic" I would experience at those doses would be bloody sore joints (50mg was bad enough).

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:15:10 GMT

what dose of epi compared to what dose of 'var, IYO?

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (meat 05)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:54:38 GMT

personally i find epi and var comparable in terms of strength gains and recomping effects, m4ohn was nothing like it for me,again we are all different!

mdien was also close ime.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:35:30 GMT

If one bottle is 2 weeks, then a 4-6 weeks cycle would be rather pricey, not like anavar is cheap though - lol.

50mg of 'var is considered the lower end of norm if ran solo.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:21:02 GMT

I can pull up other logs that are not sponsored but again have to stress that these logs showed results at 2 weeks only.

For what it is worth I am gaining strength while losing bodyfat having been on cynostane for 2 weeks. I will say though that I have an advantage when it comes to training compared to most. All the same the results are notable. Fwiw, Anavar was not a strong strength boosting drug for me, unless dosed at a high level of 50mg. At that point, it became detrimental to my general mood which is why I long ago stopped taking AAS.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:15:09 GMT

Interesting reads. Pity both logs are sponsored though.

It seems to be a novel compound, but the fact that it offers little in the strength department means it is not even close to anavar in terms of effects. Seems somewhat similar in terms of body recomping though.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:13:58 GMT

http://www.muscletalk.c...trition-m3671084-p4.aspx

http://www.uk-muscle.co...ngth-logs-cynostane.html

Daari, worth reading those logs to give you a better idea on Cynostane's effects. I would actually say it has more potent recomping effects than anavar but remember these logs are all at about 2 weeks use only so we need to run it til then end to see the final results.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:53:22 GMT

you won't be dissappointed, excellent med, IMO

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Taz)

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:18:50 GMT

Daari

M4OHN was the closest compound to anavar, but this was discontinued a long time ago.

Nothing comes close to Var, IME.

Cynostane seems like it may be somewhat similar, but feedback is not very plentiful as it was pulled from the US market less than a month after being introduced

Cheers for your input fella its always good to hear your point of view.

I think next year rather than going off what Iv read I may well have to give var a try to see what I think myself.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (JayJo)

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:29:20 GMT

He recommends a cycle length no longer then 28 days at the very most. (nothing new to me)
The most interesting part is Dosage and PCT. See the quote below: (1 cap = 10mg)

Matt Cahill

SD I would start at 4 caps per day for the first 2 days, then drop down to 3 caps for the next 4 days then use 2 caps eeveryday till the last day of the cycle. I would use an OTC PCT, something like 6bromo and ACTX with either Liver Longer or high dose ALA and a good anti oxidant. I would run the pct for 3 weeks then repeat the cycle.

Why would you frontload the SD and is an OTC PCT really enough?

Matt Cahill

To get the blood full saturated with the hormone as fast as possible.

Its all Ive used in the past 4 years. An OTC AI (like 6bromo or atd) and ACTX has always worked well for me. I never did well with Nolva and used to use arimidex or letrozole until I started making atd and 6bromo. Ive used quadruple the reccomended dose of both. It wrecked my sex drive but got rid of my gyno until I started messing around with Avodart.

When using it for PCT i start with 3 caps of each for the first 3 days, then 2 caps for 4 days, then 1 cap for 3 days and then 1 cap eod for 3 more weeks of PCT. ACTX i start at 8 caps for the first week and then 6 a day straight through till 10 days after the last AI dose.

BTW. I don't recommend OTC PCT.

Jay

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:40:45 GMT

If you could.......

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (JayJo)

Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:42:42 GMT

SD is a very good for a cutting cycle!

I've had a very interessting conversation with Matt Cahill about the dosage, cycle length and PCT for SD. (btw. Matt Cahill is the person who brought SD to the market.)

If you want i can go into detail

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (PredatorNutrition)

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:36:44 GMT

Funny enough I still have an old designer supps bottle of M4OHN if you are interested but it may be past the sell by date by now!

As for cynostane, I have been on it for 10 days myself and the feedback from the testers is all very similar wrt its qualities.

Re:Pro-hormone alternative to Anavar? (Daari)

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:34:21 GMT

M4OHN was the closest compound to anavar, but this was discontinued a long time ago.

Nothing comes close to Var, IME.

Cynostane seems like it may be somewhat similar, but feedback is not very plentiful as it was pulled from the US market less than a month after being introduced