http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/(c) MuscleTalk Bodybuilding Forum30 <blockquote class="quote"><i>*The_West*</i><br> <br> <br> its true what you say about people wearing it as a fashion accersory. <br> most of the bodybuilders wear one for virtually everything, all isolation exercises. to be fair, most of them are hyooge (although a gram of test a week and 50mg dbol a day will do that lol) but they just seem to "like" wearing it. <br> <br> and s777, i do apologise lol. you are one of the rare few PTs that actually know what they are tlaking about. the thing that gets me, is that most PT's, dont have a background in training, they just decide that is what they want to do, and do the course. and so all they know about training, is whta they have learnt in a classroom, what somebody else has told them, or drawn for them on a whiteboard. <br> a decent PT will have trainined for their own purposes, be it mass, strength or conditioning for a number of years, so they have a good "in the trenches" understanding of what works, and what doesn't. <br> </blockquote> <br> <br> No need to apologise buddy, I am just as critical of all these "expert" trainers as you are hahaha! <br> &nbsp; <br> I remember one chap telling a client there was no need to bother with free weights till he could stack all the machines at that site.... <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3695257Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:57:29 GMT double post <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3693055Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:03:15 GMT I use my belt most often for standing bar bell curls. I dont care what anyone says, without it I've felt muscle twinges in my back more than once. <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3693054Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:02:49 GMT Fun Meter. When I practice lifts I want it as per comp lift for the majority of the time. Hence I wear a belt alot. Off course most assistance work I won't hence why my lower back is still very stong... relatvly anyway. <br> <br> Beltless work is fine to do a block of but it's not a case of just putting it on for a top attempt. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3693027Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:14:01 GMT <br> Depends what your training for... <br> <br> If your a powerlifter, then yes as it may be the difference between making that rep or not. <br> <br> If you a body builder then surely it would be better to try and avoid it, as it would only prevent you engaging the supporting muscles!?&nbsp; <br> <br> Personally, I never bother with a belt, unless i'm testing my 1RM. <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3692836Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:46:18 GMT Wouldnt bother with it. <br> <br> There is an article with a few studies by Paul Chek which shows becoming dependent on a belt may cause problems, but thats another topic. <br> <br> Even if you were to compete, and get 5kg more out of a belt, might as well not use one except practise or 1RM test IMO. As if your deadlift without a belt goes up 10kg, so should your belted deadlift. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3692664Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:18:42 GMT as stated above, to wear a belt you need to know how to use it effectively and fully,,, sometimes a belt can be a confidence booster and mean the difference in getting an extra rep....i for one wear my belt on every exercise, not always tight, but this is mainly down to if i take it off and put it down i tend to loose them... &nbsp; as ian has pointed out, if you train the back and abs without the belt then there is no problem in wearing one when dead/squatting or even benching... http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3692420Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:27:02 GMT No i get what you are saying, think I was a bit quick to answer! <br> <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3692003Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:36:27 GMT Thanks for the replies, il continue without a belt for the time being. Yes it is also true the ones who say wear a belt blah blah&nbsp;i have not seen them deadlift or squat http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691977Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:24:39 GMT I will never tell anyone to be quiet!! lol No worries there pal. <br> <br> Just wanted to make it clear that wearing a belt dose not make you weak in the back. Particulary whilst deadlifting as for most it dosn't aid the lift by much. Poor training will do it all by itself! <br> <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691895Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:23:03 GMT <blockquote class="quote"><i>iaink</i><br> <br> <br> Compared to the squat there is little need to wear a belt deadlifting. I don't have a problem with those that do but it's not a biggy <br> <br> However below is not correct either, or rather too much of a blancket <br> <br> <blockquote class="quote"><i></i><br> <br> i wouldn't, it will lead to you relying on the belt to provide strength that isnt there. People who reccommend in the gym i would bet are the ones that don't deadlift.</blockquote> <br> <br> I deadlift and I wear a belt on nearly every set of squat and deadlifts for many years. So do most powerlifters I know. Off course I not only use the belt correctly, but train my lower back and abbs without a belt on. <br> <br> For the deadlift a belt is neither that much a curse or a blessing. <br> <br> My advice is that if you feel good without a belt then continue to not use one. <br> </blockquote> <br> <br> Sorry should have noted that the more experience powerlifters will tell me to be quiet, I like my generalised statements though lol...! http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691876Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:09:31 GMT its true what you say about people wearing it as a fashion accersory. <br> most of the bodybuilders wear one for virtually everything, all isolation exercises. to be fair, most of them are hyooge (although a gram of test a week and 50mg dbol a day will do that lol) but they just seem to "like" wearing it. <br> <br> and s777, i do apologise lol. you are one of the rare few PTs that actually know what they are tlaking about. the thing that gets me, is that most PT's, dont have a background in training, they just decide that is what they want to do, and do the course. and so all they know about training, is whta they have learnt in a classroom, what somebody else has told them, or drawn for them on a whiteboard. <br> a decent PT will have trainined for their own purposes, be it mass, strength or conditioning for a number of years, so they have a good "in the trenches" understanding of what works, and what doesn't. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691875Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:09:12 GMT <blockquote class="quote"><i>S777</i><br> <br> <br> ^^^ heyyyyy i do! <br> <br> Best I saw, bloke yesterday strapping his belt nice and tight... for the seated leg extension! <br> </blockquote> <br> <br> Nicely highlights the problem with belt use. People wear one as a fashion accessory and/or with little thought. <br> &nbsp; <br> Belt use <i>per se </i>will not&nbsp;lead to a 'weak back' etc etc. You develop a 'weak back' through inappropriate training. <br> &nbsp; <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691861Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:02:10 GMT ^^^ heyyyyy i do! <br> <br> Best I saw, bloke yesterday strapping his belt nice and tight... for the seated leg extension! http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691840Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:45:52 GMT lol, my all time favourite quote from a PT was "that jay cutler has got a bloated gut from doin' weights without a belt" lolololol <br> i love the way that every single one of them "knows" the best and most effective methods of training for mass/strength, yet strangely, none of them ever apply these methods to themselves...? http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691833Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:42:39 GMT I'd just echo what has already been said by the other guys. <br> <br> I deadlift 205kg for reps&nbsp;@ 93kg and I have never used a belt, and never ever had the slightest problem, despite many&nbsp;P/T's at gyms saying "you should really wear a belt if you're lifting that much". <br> <br> The fact is, many P/T's do not know what they're talking about when it comes to weight lifting. <br> <br> I have even been told that deadlifting so heavy&nbsp;will make my vertabrae open up and could end up in a wheel chair (talk about scare mongering!). <br> <br> You have done the best thing by asking the Q on here where you will get the right info. <br> <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691812Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:32:29 GMT Compared to the squat there is little need to wear a belt deadlifting. I don't have a problem with those that do but it's not a biggy <br> <br> However below is not correct either, or rather too much of a blancket <br> <br> <blockquote class="quote"><i></i><br> <br> i wouldn't, it will lead to you relying on the belt to provide strength that isnt there. People who reccommend in the gym i would bet are the ones that don't deadlift.</blockquote> <br> <br> I deadlift and I wear a belt on nearly every set of squat and deadlifts for many years. So do most powerlifters I know. Off course I not only use the belt correctly, but train my lower back and abbs without a belt on. <br> <br> For the deadlift a belt is neither that much a curse or a blessing. <br> <br> My advice is that if you feel good without a belt then continue to not use one. <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691803Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:22:07 GMT I rarely wear a belt at 2.5xbodyweight deadlift. The athletes I work with rarely wear belts. Your body has a weightlifting belt in the from of the muscle in your abdominal wall. I would advice you to use that instead. <br> <br> I am pretty sure the people giving the advice to you don't realise also that it's not just a case of strapping on a belt, you have to know how to use it. <br> <br> If you are powerlifting competitively then of course you would make use of a belt. <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691791Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:07:01 GMT i wouldn't, it will lead to you relying on the belt to provide strength that isnt there. People who reccommend in the gym i would bet are the ones that don't deadlift. <br> <br> i'd wera abelt only for maybe the last few reps of any set, if that. Im getting one myself just forsingles work when going for my 1RM. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691758Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:52:14 GMT If it aint broke ;) <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3691699Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:59:20 GMT