http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/(c) MuscleTalk Bodybuilding Forum30 I've run both, I'm running 80mg TBol with test and masterone at the moment in fact. <br> <br> Many would say the first cycle should be milder etc. But tbh Tbol also gives pretty severe back and shin pumps and I have the attitude to make the 1st cycle count. Mine was SD and I dont regret it. Therefore I favour SD. 10/20/20 <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3696609Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:24:25 GMT SD will no doubt give you better gains for a first cycle over a shorter period, but tbol will have alot less side effects. If it were me id run the tbol @80mg ed&nbsp;for 6 weeks. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3696594Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:17:39 GMT witch would you say is better tbol or SD for a first cycle and for gains <br> http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.ashx?m=3696440Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:32:05 GMT