BCAA or Glutamine

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Wilks)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:22:38 GMT

Didn't want to say "free". Jealousy is a powerful emotion......

:)

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:41:54 GMT

Cheap... free!! But true. I'd be skint LOL

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Wilks)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:09:50 GMT

lol tvm! :)

It's lucky you get it cheap or you'd bankrupt yourself!! :)

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:24:31 GMT

300g and yes. 42g

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Wilks)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:13:41 GMT

Mobster,

You stated you consume massive amounts of whey.

How much do you take each day and does this cover your recommended L-Glut dose?

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Gothic_Muscle)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:36:58 GMT

Mobster

It's the t-nation thing. They will have reinvented the wheel and come up with a super version of it the week later LOL. But the second part says not to bother.

Yeah, I know, I would have much preferred to link it from his site direct but it's been down for months, Barr is no slough when it comes to these things!! I know the articles are quite old but that doesn't make it any less relevant!

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:22:54 GMT

It's the t-nation thing. They will have reinvented the wheel and come up with a super version of it the week later LOL. But the second part says not to bother.

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Gothic_Muscle)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:17:00 GMT

Check this 2 part series examining Glutamine - yeah yeah I know it's T-nation but Dave Barr knows his stuff and is a renowned exercise physiologist...plus his own site is being revamped so can't link from there!

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supplements/glutamine_destroying_the_dogma_part_1&cr=

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supplements/glutamine_destroying_the_dogma_part_2&cr=

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:09:39 GMT

Smeagolmalicious

Glutamine.....i think its hot to trott n so do a lot of others that train hard...at the end of the day its quite cheap so try it....if u think its good then carry on....same as anything.
I find BCAAs a bit odd as there is boat loads in a good quality protein shake and buying caps is fooking pricey!
Good protein and Glutamine...throw creatine into the mix n ur good to go!

If you're given a joint the dots image of a flower do you get a teddy? BCAA's, which I do not use, DO have studies supporting their DOMs reductive qualities. L-Glutamine does not. The ONLY reason it'll help is because it's an amino acid and so a form of protein. As you're already supplementing protein you do not need to supplement L-Glut for DOMs reduction. Use it by all means but not for that purpose.

There really is no need, in this day and age, to try something 'just cos it's cheap' in the same way many could find the answers to questions they have via google and reading rather than just asking anyway. PubMed etc have 100's if not 1000's of studies and copies of published articles which just reading the conclusion of would help. That said some studies are piss weak so read a few.

I've said it before, supplementing with L-Glut seems to very dose dependant. Every argument I've seen here and elsewhere ends up 50/50. My opinion is that if your diet is high in whey protein (or similar) then you'll get a good dose. If you must use it then look up some good articles on Post Workout shakes and you'll see many add a little to maximise that time only. If I used it that'd be then. If I was looking for something to help with DOMs as a supplement it'd be BCAA (and yes whey is rich in all 3).

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Gothic_Muscle)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:55:56 GMT

Smeagolmalicious

Glutamine.....i think its hot to trott n so do a lot of others that train hard...at the end of the day its quite cheap so try it....if u think its good then carry on....same as anything.
I find BCAAs a bit odd as there is boat loads in a good quality protein shake and buying caps is fooking pricey!
Good protein and Glutamine...throw creatine into the mix n ur good to go!

..and Glutamine comes from....

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (S777)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:28:34 GMT

makaveli1971 1996

Icemansoldier

makaveli1971 1996

How can you suggest anything when you have no experience on, or with the product.

You would fight with your shadow, your such a laughing stock that loves arguing. Im out.

People come onto these forums looking for good, or correct advice.

It would be more helpful to the OP by not telling him he doesn't need a particular product which you have no knowledge about.

You will find Glutamine is supplemented with my most serious trainers, bodybuilders.

For me before using Glutamine the DOMS after legs for example were intense,since supplementing with Glut, the DOMS are almost non existent.

And my diet is very high in protein.

Good product if you ask me and well worth a shot at £20 per kg from myprotein.

Do you, or anybodyeven, have any evidence/research that glutamine helps releive doms?

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Smeagolmalicious)

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:31:20 GMT

Glutamine.....i think its hot to trott n so do a lot of others that train hard...at the end of the day its quite cheap so try it....if u think its good then carry on....same as anything.
I find BCAAs a bit odd as there is boat loads in a good quality protein shake and buying caps is fooking pricey!
Good protein and Glutamine...throw creatine into the mix n ur good to go!

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Wilks)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:03:45 GMT

Haha cheers chaps! :)

More to add to the minefield of supplementation! :)

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:01:20 GMT

Wilks

Cheers Mobster mate.

So 100g of WPC per day would equate to 18g of L-Glutamine. Therefore every 10g of WPC would give you 1.8g of L-Glutamine. I currently take 4 x 20g scoops so would have an L-Glut intake of 14.4g.

I bow to your knowledge once again mate :)

Not quite. Of the protein percentage. So WPC 80 is 80g protein per 100g powder and of the 80g 18% equates to 14.4g. Use that figure per 100g powder to get a marker.

Now bow LOL.

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (makaveli1971 1996)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:56:32 GMT

Wilks

Cheers Mobster mate.

So 100g of WPC per day would equate to 18g of L-Glutamine. Therefore every 10g of WPC would give you 1.8g of L-Glutamine. I currently take 4 x 20g scoops so would have an L-Glut intake of 14.4g.

I bow to your knowledge once again mate :)

For example, in let's say maximuscle promax.....

There is 6.9g of L-Glutamine per 100g of protein.

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (makaveli1971 1996)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:53:10 GMT

Icemansoldier

makaveli1971 1996

How can you suggest anything when you have no experience on, or with the product.

You would fight with your shadow, your such a laughing stock that loves arguing. Im out.

People come onto these forums looking for good, or correct advice.

It would be more helpful to the OP by not telling him he doesn't need a particular product which you have no knowledge about.

You will find Glutamine is supplemented with my most serious trainers, bodybuilders.

For me before using Glutamine the DOMS after legs for example were intense,since supplementing with Glut, the DOMS are almost non existent.

And my diet is very high in protein.

Good product if you ask me and well worth a shot at £20 per kg from myprotein.

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Gothic_Muscle)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:47:09 GMT

Zeddy

Gothic_Muscle

Surprised you've gone for this over bcaa, what made you choose Glutamine?

As suggested earlier on in the thread, I don't think I'm getting enough glutamine from my protein shake, in my case mass attack. I'm only taking it once a day eventhough it states that mass attack is high in glutamine peptides.

Also I mentioned I've been doing high reps of excercises only in the last two weeks and think my body hasn't had enough time to adjust.

I'm thinking of getting Boditronics express whey (as opposed to mass attack) and glutamine.

Fair enough, it's cheap enough to give it a go! Your also getting glutamine and bcaa from whole foods too, Glutamine is pretty abundant in cottage cheese if you eat this? If you've got your diet set up to give you at least a gram or protein per lb bodyweight your going to be getting a fair bit of both!

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Wilks)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:14:01 GMT

Cheers Mobster mate.

So 100g of WPC per day would equate to 18g of L-Glutamine. Therefore every 10g of WPC would give you 1.8g of L-Glutamine. I currently take 4 x 20g scoops so would have an L-Glut intake of 14.4g.

I bow to your knowledge once again mate :)

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Mobster)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:58:07 GMT

Wilks

I know the RDA would vary for L-Glut and BCAA depending on the individual. Also, the protein type/quality would affect the amount of both these aminos present.

Is there a 'guesstimate' as to how much of each one should consume on a daily basis? Also, is their a generic figure to work to as to how much your average whey blend contains of each amino?

Most recommend doses of between 20-40g a day of L-Glutamine. Of the amino acids in WPC 18% (typically) comes from Glutamic acid.

Re:BCAA or Glutamine (Zeddy)

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:56:17 GMT

Gothic_Muscle

Surprised you've gone for this over bcaa, what made you choose Glutamine?

As suggested earlier on in the thread, I don't think I'm getting enough glutamine from my protein shake, in my case mass attack. I'm only taking it once a day eventhough it states that mass attack is high in glutamine peptides.

Also I mentioned I've been doing high reps of excercises only in the last two weeks and think my body hasn't had enough time to adjust.

I'm thinking of getting Boditronics express whey (as opposed to mass attack) and glutamine.