testosterone / estrogen

Can anyone tell me if natural estrogen inhibitors and natural testosterone boosters really work?

Chaparral labs manimal?

These aren't pro hormones are they? Minimal if no side effects?

I was resding ip on d-aspartic acid and how it raised test levels but aromatised estrogen too. so needed to take with an inhibitor.

Is this correct?

Is this a good natural product?

Cheers,
Karl.

imo there a waste of cash, a scam almost, dont bother imo

any change to your natiral hormones with herbs or drugs your body will adjust to make them ineffective the minute increase from legal and or herbal supps for this will be rendered ineffective with in weeks also the increase is nothing, natty male produce around 2-10mg ed on average so even 50% which is massive and made out to be massive buy these companies selling then crap is only 1mg if your at the lower end which is useless imo, you wont gain anymore lbm from these than as a natty without them imho
they can increase libido but that doesnt mean you have anymore test free for muscle building, libido is more to do with dht than test so increased libido on natty test boosters means nothing in reality 

your body will reach to any change in hormones the same way it dont make a diffrence how you increase it, herbs, drugs  it reacts the same

Yes certain ones do work, but to what degree and how much you will notice varies.
 
They are not prohormones and sides on the whole are non existant. The increase in test is not huge so there is no need to use any AI's.
 
The ones with studies to back up claims like DAA (bulk or testforce), Fadogia (bridge), Bulbine (Phytoserms, Tropinol) are good options.
But do not expect PH/steroid like results.
 
OTC aromatase inhibitors like 6-bromo, ATD, 6-oxo, Forma are a lot stronger though and if used at high doses you certainly will notice side effects.

only natural sup ive used for weight gain was creatine, cissusdrol, and legal steroids like ph's and ds's

Vibora


Yes certain ones do work, but to what degree and how much you will notice varies.

They are not prohormones and sides on the whole are non existant. The increase in test is not huge so there is no need to use any AI's.

The ones with studies to back up claims like DAA (bulk or testforce), Fadogia (bridge), Bulbine (Phytoserms, Tropinol) are good options.
But do not expect PH/steroid like results.

OTC aromatase inhibitors like 6-bromo, ATD, 6-oxo, Forma are a lot stronger though and if used at high doses you certainly will notice side effects.

 
i just think its playing around with minute increases that will only have some kind off effect over 2-3weeks till your body reacts to it, better off spending the cash on good quality steak and potatoes imo lol

A lot of steroid users (traditional) are rather sceptical towards testboosters from what i've seen.
 
however, i've read 1000s of review of 4-8 week cycle of testboosters, and testboosters stacked with OTC AIs that have made a significant difference. Of course people don't expect steroid like gains, but they make enough of a difference to be worthwhile.
 
Running testforce (DAA) or Bridge/HCGen (fadogia, divinil etc...) with an AI like 6bromo or triazole for 4-8 weeks is a brilliant stack and for those not on gear, is likely to produce noticable results with no need for a pct or on cycle support.
 
 

m118


A lot of steroid users (traditional) are rather sceptical towards testboosters from what i've seen.

 
There's almost always a good reason for this!
 
 

m118

however, i've read 1000s of review

 
really?
 
That must take some time!

PartyBoy

m118


A lot of steroid users (traditional) are rather sceptical towards testboosters from what i've seen.

There's almost always a good reason for this!

m118

however, i've read 1000s of review

really?

That must take some time!

PB, a sceptical man too IMO
 
and not that much time, considering I've been reading up on testboosters for ~2-3 years now.
 
 

Some might say sceptic, I say realist.

OP
 
Yes they can work, but how well they work imo depends on what sort of natural test level you have already and what your expectations are.
 
If you are young and not recovering from any sort of hormonal product then the likliehood is you might get a bit if a libido bump and a slight edge in recovery and swing in favour of lbm from your usual diet and routine - whether this is worth it depends on your own intepretation and of course cash flow.
 
However, if recovering from a PH cycle for instance then I firmly believe they can assist in recovery and restoring your natural test levels faster when accompanied by either a SERM or AI than without - this is based on my own results which have been both subjective and based on bloods.

Most of the reviews stating differences can likely be out down to placebo IMO..

I'm skeptical that they do anything at all and Are in all likelihood just a marketing ploy.


If I wanted to increase my test id cut to the point and use test personally... I appreciate some are unwilling to do so though and If that wasn't on the agenda I'd train for maximum hormonal response and Adapt my diet to fit the bill also.

I.e use tactics that actually work.

i honestly belive natty testboosters are bolox, you can buy ds and ph for the same price and more gains, the way your body works and reacts to hormone changes will cancel out any increase if any making them useless imho, alot better and more effective things to spend your cash on, as said above beef and tetties are far better than some libido pill, even if natty terst booster increased your natty test by 100% (of which im sure there is not boasting this increase) that is still nothing in reality 2weeks in and your bodys adjusted to it and its gone, how much do you think you can gain in 2weeks with double test levels say you produce 2mg ed, 1mg extra is nothing when aas guys use a min of 500mg ew to gain.
 
if you have naturally low test levels then testbooster may help your mood and libido imo thats it.
 
i must have spent £1000's on pills in the hope they will make me gain weight and all are crap and look great on paper but in reality your body will stop them in there tracks, imo best things for lbm are:
food
protein + weight gainers
creatine
cissusdrol
pro-hormones
designer steroids
 
darkside meds:
aas
insulin 
ghrp6
 

I've used Manimal before - I agree some natural test boosters are crap, there's one famous one we refuse to stock because it's overpriced and doesn't work well (imho). However, Manimal (from experience and based on the ingredient profile), is excellent. In the past when we were allowed to do it....it's the sort of product we'd have given out to someone to log. It's a "noticable" natural test booster. Your strength goes up, you feel a bit more alpha, and your recovery is slightly faster.
 
I've used it twice now, with the first time being in PCT and my strength actually went UP on it - it was the first time I pulled 260kg, so from then on I loved it haha! It's NOT going to pack on tons of weight (I've never bulked on the other hand, so probably a bad person to ask re: weight gain from the sup), but you will notice:
 
1) Better strength gains
2) Better mental state (you just feel more manly, for want of a better phrase)
3) Faster recovery
 
....which is all you can really hope for from a natural product.
 
In terms of the comments re: DAA, Bulbine etc. above, Manimal includes DAA (D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate - same type as in Testforce), Bulbine, plus Fadogia Agrestis, shilajit (60%), Yohimbe HCL (99%) etc...so has those based covered.
 
Posted this in the other thread, but gives you a more independent review as obviously I'll appear biased:

Great informative reply thanks.

What is your experience of cissus drol to included it in products that work?

Cheers,
Karl.

I agree most give minimal results but there are a couple with sound research backing them, and t least 1 I've used personally and had visible results - as in others people asking what I've been using!

KS_Manchester


Great informative reply thanks.

What is your experience of cissus drol to included it in products that work?

Cheers,
Karl.

Cissus Drol was a decent product but it's not made anymore and never will - Generic have talked about doing a run, but I believe 6-bromo might be banned (or hard to get the raws for) in the States now, so ....nothing's ever come of it.
 
Basic Cissus is a good supplement for joint health and I believe it also helps control cortisol to some extent.

Vibora





The ones with studies to back up claims like DAA (bulk or testforce), Fadogia (bridge), Bulbine (Phytoserms, Tropinol) are good options.
 

Any studies not sponsored by a company selling the product?

Why is 6bromo being banned in the US?
What do they know we don't?