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2010/02/17 11:07:53 (permalink)

Melanotan BEWARE MT2

I have been using mt2 for about 18 months and got a tan like you wouldnt believe.  I have often sung its praises on this forum. I had heard of people using this having eye problems but just like most of you thought it didnt apply to me.  So I judged the risks to be worth it - especially as MT2 had already completed most of its testing and was apparently almost ready to be licenced. Recently the vision in my left eye went blurred . It seemed to deteriate very quickly so went to get it checked out. I was diagnosed with – serous retinopathy (CSR) and they found a nevus (mole) at the back of my eye that has never been there before. Users of MT2 will be aware in some instances of moles that wern't there beofre suddenly appearing on your skin - well it's exactly the same with the back of your eyes. I am told that this nevus (mole) on my retina has to be checked requently as it could turn cancerous. If you’re thinking of using mt2 take my advice DON’T after all it’s still an unlicensed drug!!!! - and its just not worth losing your sight or getting cancer. Just google MT2 and eye probs if you need to know more.
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 11:34:10 (permalink)
    Damn! Sorry to hear that mate, that's scary sh!t.
    How the hell can they remove a mole in such an awkward/dangerous place? What is the procedure to solve the problem?


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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 12:23:29 (permalink)
    Probably something similar to the procedure I went through having plates and pins on the orbital floor of my eye socket, they basically pop the eye out.

    Mate I feel for you, hope it goes real well for you and doesn't take a downturn

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 12:25:15 (permalink)
    hi mate, sorry to hear of your problems, and hope that your eyesight doesnt deteriorate further.

    as far as i know mt2 is nowhere near being licensed.

    i have said many times, that the side effects should tell people its actions are much much greater than just getting a tan.  sure it works very well, but not worth the risk imo.

    hopefully the darkness in the mole will subside and your sight improve a little


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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 13:13:27 (permalink)
    I used it for 6 weeks and I was sick off the stuff did nothing for me but darker moles and made me feel i was car sick all day long.
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 13:35:24 (permalink)
    Are you between the ages of 20 to 50?

    This has been covered before ages ago.

    What causes CSR? If you ask your doctor you'll likely get a response of something along the lines of, "it's not really known but it is thought to be associated with stress particularly in type A individuals".

    The last time anyone suspected a link between CSR and melanotan II was nearly 3 years ago (2007). A person that went by the name "Robbie" explained his thinking in the Melanotan.org forums. As the thread goes on it looks less and less likely that his usage had anything to do with it.

    Here is the original thread about this:
    http://melanotan.org/cg...b/YaBB.pl?num=1183897770


    See the following somewhat informative response:
    http://melanotan.org/cg....pl?num=1183897770/65#65


    The good news is that CSR is typically a self-limiting condition that spontaneously heals up on its own.

    Obviously the melanotan peptides are unlicensed and unregulated drugs and compared to anabolic steroids remain relatively little known so anyone casually considering using them is well advised not to do so.

    -Scott

    post edited by Melanotan - 2010/02/17 13:38:25
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/17 16:23:29 (permalink)
    Tracking this down a bit more I came across the following page:

    http://www.chestercount...us-chorioretinopathy.php


    CSR effects mostly men (85-90%) between the ages of 25 and 45. A second “peak” can occur later in life. Patients tend to be slightly hyperopic (far-sighted) but there is no association with any other eye or systemic disease. The disease tends to be found in patients with “Type A” personality, who tend to be more nervous or stressed. The disease can also be precipitated by oral, inhaled or nasal steroids, severe hypertension, pregnancy, antihistamine use, excessive alcohol use, collagen vascular disease, blood disorders, and organ transplant.

    You might want to review if any of the bolded precipitating factors above apply to yourself.


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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/02/21 10:35:32 (permalink)
    Howmuch - how regularly and at what dose were you using MT2?  Wss it constantly for 18 months?

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/02 07:46:00 (permalink)
    Before i used it i researched into it.  There has been much much talk about is on here with articles from partyboy etc.  Initially I started off on just .25 then increased gradually over about 3-4 weeks.  I dosed just before bed to avoid sides and interspersed with a few sunbed sessions I had a tan like never before. I then looked up what was recommended as a maintenance dose and dropped back to that. In total I suppose I did it for about 5 months.  I came off it over the winter but my tan stayed and my mickname   down the gym became 'allovertan man' as apart from a couple of black guys I was noticably darker than everyone else.  I started dosing again the following spring but my old supplier had dried up so i bought some mt2 directly from china over the internet.  Event hough i sourced it through a melotan website which i was led to by a discussion forum it was too strong.  It made me brown but even afte i diluted it with 2x I had to stop it because the sides effects off the new stuff were horrible.  Before you jump to conclusions i really dont think it was the fact it was from china or it was a **** batch that caused my eye probs or that you may know someone who can supply MT2 which doesnt make you feel quite as sick in my opinion this stuff is all **** - to someone like me who was usually pasty white it had seemed like a wonder drug but I suppose its the old addage.  If something seems to good to be true - then it probably is.  So that was it - that's all I did. I really hope this will help others and my advice to you all again who are thinking of taking this stuff DONT - IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT. 

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/02 09:44:10 (permalink)
    Never used it, but I'll stick to using my deck chairs and garden me finks! :)

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/02 12:26:33 (permalink)
    Jesus! Will never use this med, have used very briefly a while ago and never again after this.

    Hope your ok buddy, also to anyone who uses Clen i have heard that it can have a direct effect on the heart fibres... after hearing that i'll never use again.
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 01:23:09 (permalink)
    HowmuchI started dosing again the following spring but my old supplier had dried up so i bought some mt2 directly from china over the internet.  Event hough i sourced it through a melotan website which i was led to by a discussion forum it was too strong.  It made me brown but even afte i diluted it with 2x I had to stop it because the sides effects off the new stuff were horrible.  Before you jump to conclusions i really dont think it was the fact it was from china or it was a **** batch that caused my eye probs 
     

    Just out of curiosity, what other drugs were you using during this time? Anything in the AAS department? Anything else? Also, why are you inclined to discount the fact that you had issues with product from a different supplier that you didn't have with the product you used from your previous supplier?


    What did the medical practitioner(s) that you saw say about the development of this issue?

    Thanks,

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 07:33:23 (permalink)
    ^^^ why are you trying to make out that its safe?

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 08:44:25 (permalink)
    I don't think that's the case here. I very much doubt anyone believes that drug/hormone/peptide use is inherently risk free. When a side effect is focussed upon, it can start to ring death bells among current users, which tends to over-exaggerate the actual risk posed.

    It's interesting that blue says he will never touch clen, yet I would be amazed if he was unaware of the potential effect of steroids and heart hypertrophy, given his quite reasonable steroid usage history.

     
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 09:10:22 (permalink)
    I'd agree with PB.  I cannot see any proof with the OP case that this was defo caused by MT2.  It may have been, but he has UTTERLY NO PROOF saying it was.

    Sounds like that NFL player in the early 90s blaming AAS for his brain tumour when his Dr's said there was no link.  Its entirely possible and certainly a factor to consider but there is no proof here.

    Blue - you are over reacting, just as PB says.  You were in hospital a month back with palperations when using AAS yet felt calm enough to blame t3 and nothing else despite your first use of HGH at the same time as well.
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 09:57:53 (permalink)
    I am one to give MT2 bad press here so i must add and should of in my first post added  that two other of my friends got on very will with MT2 and would use it again.

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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 12:54:40 (permalink)
    I think this is a good topic.  It's fair and balanced.  Howmuch has voiced his experience and this needs to be noted, others have questionned his conclusions.  People can read and make up their own minds.  As long as people know there are risks.


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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 13:23:28 (permalink)
    have to question the motives for making out something is safe when they hsve the user name melanotan.  Wether or not thats the intention thats how they read to me.  Sure, there is no proof that the OP's problems ARE caused by MT, but noon can deny there are side effects that are suffered to some degree by almost all users. 

    As i said before, i used once, but the side effects are such that its foolish to think this peptide is just giving you a nice tan.  just the noticable side effects are quite noticable, and can be very bad, so who knows what its possibly doint thats not noticable.  sure other meds we use have sides, but long and short term effects of steroids are pretty well known and understood.  NOONE can say that for MT2.  and imo it will never come close to being licenced. 



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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 18:41:03 (permalink)
    dazc

    have to question the motives for making out something is safe when they hsve the user name melanotan.  Wether or not thats the intention thats how they read to me.  Sure, there is no proof that the OP's problems ARE caused by MT, but noon can deny there are side effects that are suffered to some degree by almost all users. 

    As i said before, i used once, but the side effects are such that its foolish to think this peptide is just giving you a nice tan.  just the noticable side effects are quite noticable, and can be very bad, so who knows what its possibly doint thats not noticable.  sure other meds we use have sides, but long and short term effects of steroids are pretty well known and understood.  NOONE can say that for MT2.  and imo it will never come close to being licenced. 



    I wear my bias prominently here so that those I communicate with know where I stand. Would people prefer that I hide my involvement surrounding these peptide drugs and just express myself as though I don't have a particular bias? I seriously doubt it.

    If we step back from the focus of this current discussion (usage of melanotan II) and examine this topic from a more objective point of view we can recognize that the issue at the heart of this thread is actually much bigger than anything having to do specifically with melanotan II. The heart of the issue is the usage of frequently unregulated, relatively poorly sourced, and sometimes unlicensed drugs and what it means to use these types of drugs. The simple fact to the matter is that it is perfectly normal for folks to develop health issues during their lives almost regardless of what they do (or don't do) relative to maintaining their health or relative to the risks to their health they take in their daily activities. Genes play a massive role in this. Some folks are just genetically predisposed to develop health issues in their life and in many cases the ultimate results of these genetic predispositions are unavoidable. So how does all of that relate to using these types of drugs? Well if during the course of a given regimen of drug use some previously unrecognized health issue develops we are left wondering what if any role the usage of that drug has played in the development of the issue? This is why companies are obliged to spend billions of dollars in clinical trials precisely to overcome this very issue. It is only with a diligent scientific method and sufficient time across large cohorts of trial subjects are we able to fully establish what if any deleterious health effects stem from usage of a drug and what efficacy the drug has for a given indication. I actually expressed this problem last year in response to a British Medical Journal article about the potential risks of usage of the melanotan peptides. The BMJ published my concerns here:

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/.../338/feb17_2/b566#209575

    So where does that leave individuals concerned about health risks relative to using these types of drugs? 
    1. Don't use any drug and just go all natural. If health issues develop you'll know that something other than a drug was at the heart of any health issue that you develop.
    2. Limit yourself to using only fully licensed, fully regulated drugs and extremely well sourced (fully legal) drugs. At least you'll have a high degree of confidence that the effects and side effects of these drugs are generally going to be well known (I say generally because it does happen that regulatory agencies will consider a drug essentially safe only to determine later on that it in fact is not - think Vioxx).
    3. If you're going to use a drug that is either not well regulated or not extremely well sourced or not licensed anywhere then examine the prevalence of usage (100s of people, 1000s? , 10s of thousands, etc?) and what are the predominantly reported effects and side effects as well as reported issues relative to the drug and given sources for the drug. Are there fairly well established patterns for a given drug or drug source? What are they? Based upon these patterns are you willing to put confidence in the drug and/or source to the point of potentially risking your health over it?

    These are very serious considerations. This is painfully obvious in the forum I operate about these peptides where one is repeatedly visually bashed with warnings about their usage with direct links to Governmental health agencies' concerns and counsels.

    I recognize that Howmuch has a health issue however what I would like to understand (and feel that everyone should try to understand) is what are the potential factors leading up to his condition that may have played a role or definitely played a role. There are certain drugs and certain preexisting health issues that are known to cause CSR. I want to know if Howmuch may have been affected by these sorts of potential causative factors.

    Thanks,
    -Scott Stevenson 
    post edited by Melanotan - 2010/03/03 18:48:05
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    Re:Melanotan BEWARE MT2 2010/03/03 19:29:26 (permalink)
    i do understand your point mate, but for lots of people they simply see it as something that gives you a nice dark tan.  As per the original post, many believe that its close to being licencesed.  it will never get a licence imo.  This rumour had to start somewhere, my bet is makers/sellers.

    most of the bodybuilding drugs have or used to have clinical uses, are well studied and understood, so i dont think you can put melanotan in the same category as these, and again to attempt do so when talking about side effects is creating this image of it being a clinical product. 

    it is also, in terms of wider availability and use, a very new peptide.  so there isnt even any longterm user evidence or user experience, let alone study.  So there is absoloutely no way, you can say or even imply that it is safe or likely to be safe longterm.  A lack of evidence of problems is no proof that there is non.

    we will have to agree to disagree on this.  Its obvious to me that its actions are far far greater than just giving a tan. noone, especially yourself can imply that its likely to be safe long term.

    Just to be clear, im not saying it definately isnt safe either, just that the risk is unknown and unquantifiable.  People using need to be aware of that,  but frequently its said or implied that it is, or is likely to be safe.


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