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2010/07/21 09:37:58 (permalink)

Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed

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I'm 30 years old, 6ft, 14.5 stone and have been following a strict eating plan for two and a half years and training (mainly lifting) for two years.  When I started I was 16.7 stone and within six months of a strict high protein, low carb diet and thermobol, lost 3 and half stone and then started lifting, gradually taking on more carbs.  I have researched and been assisted by various supplements for training and recovery such as creatine / CEE / Preworkout supplements such as NO xplode and Animal Pump (always taking on protein ed), I've even given some exotic root extract a go and I'm always researching new ways to develop my strength and fitness.  Which brings me onto my subject above.
 
I've recently considered anabolic steroids and have discussed this with my wife who is not at all happy with me injecting and is concerned with what it may do to my aggression levels as I have quite an aggressive nature without higher testosterone levels.
 
The compromise reached is that I will begin with oral steroids and firstly supplement with them and see what affect it has on me physically and mentally.  I have decided to supplement with Dianabol at a rate of 15mg ed and weekends off for 10 weeks, totalling 750mg at the end of the cycle.  Doing it this way will reduce the effects on my liver (I hope) and will reduce the risk of sides or at least help me to identify them gradually.  I have 60 tablets of Tamoxifen which consist of 20mg each.
 
1) Could anyone tell me whether the above is worth it or whether I'm going to see any results?
2) With this kind of cycle do I really need SARM PCT?
3) If so, can anyone tell me how much Tamoxifen to take, for how long and how long after or before I stop taking the dianabol?
 
Cheers in advance
 
post edited by Wolfy41 - 2010/07/21 09:53:15
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    demonboy
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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 09:59:57 (permalink)
    I have to be forthright I appreciate you have discussed this with your wife but there is no correlation between increased testosterone and aggression "roid rage" and most of the guys here will collaborate that.

    If you have an agressive nature to start with you will have to look at ways that are assertive rather than aggressive as this is reactive behavior.

    The cycle you propose would do very little in the way of gains you might be best to do some research here:

    These MT articles are good starting points and answer all your questions

    http://articles.muscletal...ners-steroids-faq.aspx

    http://articles.muscletal...building-steroids.aspx

    http://articles.muscletal...nabol-information.aspx

    http://articles.muscletal...ost-cycle-therapy.aspx

    http://articles.muscletal...t-cycle-treatment.aspx
    post edited by demonboy - 2010/07/21 10:15:48
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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 12:48:22 (permalink)
    Thanks Demon Boy, hopefully no offence caused to you or anyone else reading with regards to aggression comment, it's an opinion my wife will unfortunately not change her opinion on no matter how much I explain to her!  Don't get me wrong though, I'm not a wife beater, more like a Victor Meldrew and I think she's worried I might start beating on teenagers kicking footballs at my car!!!  Anyway, thanks for the links, I've read most of MT's info but there is a couple you've added that I haven't so I'll have a good read.

    Anyone out there that has used Dianabol as a supplement rather than a full cycle?
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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 13:17:41 (permalink)
    Wolfy41

    Thanks Demon Boy, hopefully no offence caused to you or anyone else reading with regards to aggression comment, it's an opinion my wife will unfortunately not change her opinion on no matter how much I explain to her!  Don't get me wrong though, I'm not a wife beater, more like a Victor Meldrew and I think she's worried I might start beating on teenagers kicking footballs at my car!!!  Anyway, thanks for the links, I've read most of MT's info but there is a couple you've added that I haven't so I'll have a good read.

    Anyone out there that has used Dianabol as a supplement rather than a full cycle?


    Under Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 which states: "Any person depositing anything on the highway or playing football on the highway is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine." so speak to the teenagers  and if it does not stop and you get abuse simply phone the police citing the above act and if possible gather evidence.

    It's illegal to play football in the street and in my road children's parents have been fined £100.  Needless to say our road is quiet.






    post edited by demonboy - 2010/07/21 13:28:20
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    Wolfy41
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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 14:36:42 (permalink)
    LOL Demonboy, that's a good response!  I get what you're trying to say, reading between the lines as well!!!

    Cheers Northern Monkey, any advice on how much PCT I might need on a six week course of 20mg?
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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 15:01:11 (permalink)
    i'd have thought nolvadex for 3 weeks would suffice, 40mg ED for the first week, 20mg ED for the next 2 weeks.

    Why not just go for a 10 week injectable test enth cycle? It's
    much healthier and easier on the liver than the oral route plus i'd speculate the gains would be much better although obviously this depends on a number of things.

    Your wife is worrying over nothing, I can on occasion be quite an aggressive bloke at but on test i've literally been as calm as i can be, all the time. It takes a hell of a lot to wind me up and the only place i ever feel any agression is when i'm banging out the weights in the gym and obviously in the car as that gets to all of us. Roid Rage is a total myth! Tell the wife she has nothing to worry about, most aggression cases in men stem from low testosterone levels due to negative connotations of low test Such as tiredness, anxiety, lack of motivation etc etc

    http://www.ugm.org.uk 
    Another interesting place!

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    Re:Dianabol Supplementing and PCT advice needed 2010/07/21 20:10:37 (permalink)
    That's a great tip Doink, thanks very much, I wasn't aware of that at all myself!  I'm coming round to the idea of injectable rather that oral so I'll let you all know!
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