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Re:Bulking diet.... 22 November 2012 11:21 (permalink)
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Popeyedoyle- haha, cheers mate, calories look about what I'd guess at, but some of the other numbers aren't right, maybe they got swapped round? The 3 daytime meals have 100g rice (uncooked) which is 65g carbs, then there's the apple and carbs in the veg! Fat numbers are definately wrong! Lol

Mick- not really mate, I don't worry about the sugars from fruit, but I try keep portions of fruit and veg something like balanced, there's 6 portions of fruit, and 5 of veg. Veg with tea changes every night, broccolli, green beans, peppers, spinach, asparagus, cauliflower, onions are all regulars, and usually at least 2 different ones.

Lonewolf- its in the right ballpark for me mate,

 
lol...yeah sorry Daz, i should have spotted the messed up figures on the rice for sure.
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    Re:Bulking diet.... 22 November 2012 11:58 (permalink)
    I'm curious now! Will get all the packes etc out when I get home and do some maths!


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      Re:Bulking diet.... 22 November 2012 15:23 (permalink)
      just worked out the numbers roughly.  i couldnt be arsed counting every little gram from every food, so the totals of PCF might not tally exactly with the calorie count.  I guessed at the fruit, and didnt include the yogurt coz ive run out untill i go shopping tomorrow.
       
      havent ever worked out calories on my diets though, just usually have a rough idea of the numbers.
       
      protein- 412g
      carbs-    920g
      fats-      232g
       
      calories  7490kcals.
       
      calorie total is a bit higher than i expected, but in terms of food, its about average for me.
       
      i do use a bit of mayonaise, sauces, have the odd bit of cheese and the odd egg here and there as well as the odd little cheat so at a guess id say theres a couple hundred unplanned calories each day.  more today though as i had a snickers on the way to work... lol.
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        Re:Bulking diet.... 22 November 2012 15:28 (permalink)
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        I like the look of the rest of it though tbh..

        Interesting on the higher fats.

         
        planning ahead here as i run into pre-comp diet in february.  the first change i will make will be to drop fats down to about the 100g a day mark, which will drop a good amount of calories, and ill increase cardio at the same time. after that ill slowly reduce the carbs, but i dont want to go any lower than about 350-400g a day next prep. Mistake i have made this last year is cutting my carbs too low, and reducing the metabolism.  others ive helped work well on sub 150g of carbs, but for me thats a real stalling point and makes life much harder than it needs to be!
         
        I guess we will see come the UK show in April!
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          Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 07:16 (permalink)
          Daz where is is weight and bf at right now ,if you dont mind me asking .
           
          Just wondering what your target weight will be before you stop bulking....
           
           
           
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            Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 10:09 (permalink)
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            Daz where is is weight and bf at right now ,if you dont mind me asking .

            Just wondering what your target weight will be before you stop bulking....




            86kg now, show day weight is 79, ill run this diet untillmid december at which point ill cut the calories down a little.  This is by no means a lean bulker, there is some fat going on, but i have to really push things to get my body to grow even a little bit.  It will also pay off in terms of metabolism when i come to start dieting!
             
            condition wise, im probably 6-8 weeks out, hard to tell for sure at the moment, s the very high carb levels are causing some water retention as my body adjusts!


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              Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 10:30 (permalink)
              Wait, you're eating 7500 calories?! And 900g of carbs???
               
              FUARKKKKKKKKKKKKk!
               
              Fair play to your mince consumption too, I couldn't handle it that early in the day.
               
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                Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 11:32 (permalink)
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                popeyedoyle


                Daz where is is weight and bf at right now ,if you dont mind me asking .

                Just wondering what your target weight will be before you stop bulking....




                86kg now, show day weight is 79, ill run this diet untillmid december at which point ill cut the calories down a little.  This is by no means a lean bulker, there is some fat going on, but i have to really push things to get my body to grow even a little bit.  It will also pay off in terms of metabolism when i come to start dieting!

                condition wise, im probably 6-8 weeks out, hard to tell for sure at the moment, s the very high carb levels are causing some water retention as my body adjusts!

                 
                Cheers mate, best of luck.

                 
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                  Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 12:26 (permalink)
                  7500 cals fook me lol i struggle eating 3000 cals lol
                   
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                    Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 14:45 (permalink)
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                    7500 cals fook me lol i struggle eating 3000 cals lol

                     
                    i pretty much eat 3000 cals in just two meals!
                     
                    are you really struggling with the volume, or is it food choices/preparation methods that are the real problem mate?  i find alot of people make 'clean' food very very boring, and its no suprise they struggle to eat it!
                     
                     


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                      Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 14:47 (permalink)
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                      Wait, you're eating 7500 calories?! And 900g of carbs???

                      FUARKKKKKKKKKKKKk!

                      Fair play to your mince consumption too, I couldn't handle it that early in the day.

                       
                      id rather not have to if im honest, it gets a bit tedious!
                       
                      got to remember though that im working outside in the cold, and i have a fast metabolism anyway, and im naturally built like a piece of string....!  lol


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                        Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 23:48 (permalink)
                        Honestly looks like an absolutely absurd caloric excess for your bodyweight leading to massive fat gain, but if you've eaten like that before and not balooned....you really must have a very, very fast metabolism
                         
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                          Re:Bulking diet.... 23 November 2012 23:59 (permalink)
                          how you planing on flavouring your turkey mince as its something i often have problems getting any real flavour in to
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                            Re:Bulking diet.... 24 November 2012 00:46 (permalink)
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                            how you planing on flavouring your turkey mince as its something i often have problems getting any real flavour in to

                             
                            i dont really do too much with it, usually put a red onion in with it as its frying, and then just before im about to take it out splash on a little white wine vinegar, let it fry for a few more seconds, and job done!

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                            Honestly looks like an absolutely absurd caloric excess for your bodyweight leading to massive fat gain, but if you've eaten like that before and not balooned....you really must have a very, very fast metabolism

                             
                            those bodyweight calorie calculators are a load of nonsense!
                             
                            got to remember that i have a very active job as well!  have been on this diet now for a week and a half, this week i gained just under 1kg.  of course, a good amount of that is going to be fat, but i have to fight for any gains!  It will pay off come time to diet as well, because my body will be used to eating so much.
                             
                            I reckon if i dropped 1k cals a day, i wouldnt see any weight gain.


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                              Re:Bulking diet.... 24 November 2012 09:26 (permalink)
                              Wasn't using a calculator just basing it off what I know about metabolic rate and how much (well, little) muscle tissue uses. Fair enough though mate. I just remember reading your pre-comp journal and seeing how much cardio you do and thinking...there is no reason you should have to be doing that much (i know you said you enjoy it and it's for health too etc, but it's unarguably not good for holding muscle at that amount)
                               
                              If you have to fight that hard for muscle you need that much food, I'd rather just up the med use and drop a few thousand kcal.
                               
                              Genuinely don't see how 7k, even 6k calories,  active job and clean sources or not, is productive or necessary, unless meds are absolutely blasted, gaining 1kg in a week, if you've taken water into account and it's an accurate measurement, probably what 750g of that is fat?
                               
                              Not having a go or anything here, like I said, you know your body and have walked the walk, and I do appreciate the active job and that you find it hard to add mass, I just can't fathom the kcals when I know a fair few active guys 14/15 stone lean who would consider 4k a dirty bulk!
                               
                              Least I agree the food sources are fine though lol!
                               
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                                Re:Bulking diet.... 24 November 2012 11:24 (permalink)
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                                Wasn't using a calculator just basing it off what I know about metabolic rate and how much (well, little) muscle tissue uses. Fair enough though mate. I just remember reading your pre-comp journal and seeing how much cardio you do and thinking...there is no reason you should have to be doing that much (i know you said you enjoy it and it's for health too etc, but it's unarguably not good for holding muscle at that amount)

                                If you have to fight that hard for muscle you need that much food, I'd rather just up the med use and drop a few thousand kcal.

                                Genuinely don't see how 7k, even 6k calories,  active job and clean sources or not, is productive or necessary, unless meds are absolutely blasted, gaining 1kg in a week, if you've taken water into account and it's an accurate measurement, probably what 750g of that is fat?

                                Not having a go or anything here, like I said, you know your body and have walked the walk, and I do appreciate the active job and that you find it hard to add mass, I just can't fathom the kcals when I know a fair few active guys 14/15 stone lean who would consider 4k a dirty bulk!

                                Least I agree the food sources are fine though lol!

                                 
                                obviously some things i cant/dont talk about on the forum in there mate.  
                                 
                                Im running this diet for 6 weeks, then it will drop back a bit.
                                 
                                As for the diet, this is where we get into just why its baffling.  my body seems super adaptable to food intakes, at 4-5k i honestly wouldnt gain anything at all.  I can cut fat on 4k with a little cardio (few sessions a week), and very easily get lean.  however, when i get to about the 10% mark something weird happens, and my calorie requirements drop way down, to the point where ive been under 2k cals a day, with hours of cardio on top of my job and struggling to loose fat.  I know it defys logic, knowledge and seeimingly thermodynamics, but as much as i enjoy cardio, i wouldnt choose to do 3x sessions a day on bugger all food, at that point im not feeling fantastic thats for sure.
                                 
                                I tried a very lean bulking diet coming out of competitions in 2010, when i was having prep help, calories were slowly built up, diet was clean as a whistle, didnt really even have cheat meals, and everything was nailed (i do think somethimes people doubt me on that)  fat very slowly crept on, and at the end of it all when i cut into the next show i had worked my arse off in the gym and made no real gains, beyond a slightly better look on stage, and i ended the diet eating tiny tiny amounts of food.
                                 
                                this year ive ramped food up way high, knowing that as soon as i start cutting it down ill start loosing fat, even when still on 5k, with a little cardio (which i do year round anyway), and im intending on next prep having higher food levels and less cardio.
                                 
                                ill put some photos up in a month or so of where this diet has taken me!


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                                  Re:Bulking diet.... 26 November 2012 09:40 (permalink)
                                  It just goes to show how different people handle different intakes.
                                   
                                  As for Turkey mince Lost, I used black pepper and throw in some scharwtz season all, then usually dollop on some chilli sauce.
                                  I love the smell of steak in the morning...
                                   
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                                    Re:Bulking diet.... 26 November 2012 09:42 (permalink)
                                    Double post. 
                                    I love the smell of steak in the morning...
                                     
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                                      Re:Bulking diet.... 26 November 2012 10:37 (permalink)
                                      That's an incredible diet, couldn't manage that myself lol. Crazy how different everyone's bodies are though. I thought I was a hair gainer but it was just me being a beginner and not eating enough, 3-4k calories for me will bulk me up at a nice rate and under say 2.5k fat just comes off so easily. Till about 11%bf and then it will just come to a sudden halt as well. How much is this diet costing you?
                                       
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                                        Re:Bulking diet.... 26 November 2012 15:46 (permalink)
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                                         How much is this diet costing you?

                                         
                                        havent worked it out (too scared!! lol), but its got to be getting on for 100 quid a week i think, all in.
                                         
                                        Alot of people make the mistake you did mate, of thinking that they are eating loads and that they cant gain or are a hard gainer, when like you found out, actually you can gain if you eat more!


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