Some questions on Dead Lifting

I totally agree with CF on the above point. Heavy dumbbell rows are the only back lifts I need straps.. If you want it and train for it you grip can exede even the strongest back strength. Off course most don't take the time to do this (myself included if you note I do use straps for d rows)

I would to also point out that unacceptable language has continued to be used after warnings from moderators!!!!

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I'm not a fan of straps unless needed (I use them for a couple movements when my hands are really torn up), but for a bodybuilder they're fine IMO

and on the whole a good back workout will be impossible without them. If your grip never fails then you have a very weak back

Seriously? Let's change that too "if your grip fails, you have weak hands/forearms". It's all relative; Andy Bolton has pull 1000+lbs without straps.. is his back weak? What a rediculous statement

It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated. I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

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DB rows aside I can honestly say I cant think of anything id ever use straps for. Maybe rack pulls to save my hands a bit. Personally, I dont think they are necessary at all.

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It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated

Yup.. where in a back workout is 1000+lbs used? If he can hold onto 1000lbs a 200lb pulldown should be a non-issue

I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

Grip strength isn't, and hasn't for a long time been a limiting factor in my training. I've used straps the last 8 weeks or so for certain exercises because Accutane has dried up my hands enough that it hurt to hold a bar.. now that I'm off I'll only be using them for the occassional high rep dumbell rows.

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It's quite clear I wasn't talking about comp lifts, that I was talking about a back workout, as that is what I clearly stated

Yup.. where in a back workout is 1000+lbs used? If he can hold onto 1000lbs a 200lb pulldown should be a non-issue

I don't know anyone personally certainly including myself who can do a heavy dead session, with chins, rows e.t.c without grip limiting your workout.

Grip strength isn't, and hasn't for a long time been a limiting factor in my training. I've used straps the last 8 weeks or so for certain exercises because Accutane has dried up my hands enough that it hurt to hold a bar.. now that I'm off I'll only be using them for the occassional high rep dumbell rows.

Good for you.

Few people here who would disagree with you though

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Which part of my post do they disagree with?

I'm not a fan of straps unless needed (I use them for a couple movements when my hands are really torn up), but for a bodybuilder they're fine IMO

I was just pointing out that it's absolutely NOT impossible to get a good back workout, and that it absolutely does NOT mean you have a weak back if your grip doesn't fail. I never said bodybuilders shouldn't use them (infact I said otherwise), I just said that I personally am not a fan.

Bolton might've not been the best example, but there are PLENTY of strength athletes who can get a perfectly good back workout without the use of straps.

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I've only just started to perform deadlifts as part of my pull routine.
I find I'm OK for 6 reps with 120kg but with 130kg on the bar I feel I'm losing control after 4 reps.
With straps I'm good for 6 at 130kg and 6 at 140kg.
If I chose to omit straps then I wouldn't be lifting over 120kg until my grip strengthened but my back workout would suffer until then.

I feel if I carry on like this then my back will get progressivly stronger whilst creating an even wider gap in respect to grip strength.

Any suggestions?

Gary; Use a mixed grip and chalk.

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Thanks Iain.

I had been using an over/under hand grip without straps but with straps I opted for a double over.

I keep seeing liquid chalk mentioned. Is it as messy as powdered?

I havn't used liquid chalk but I hear good things about it, and the fact it's very low on the mess.

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