training issue

just in case i wasnt clear there. if you did 3 sets of a given exercise each with a one minute rest then you are really going to work and stress the muscle.

but if you was to do 3 sets, 1 set at different times throughout the day (crazy example i know) i.e. one sep in the morning then the second set in the afternoon and then the last one in the evening then as you can clearly imagine, this aint going to be a very effective way of stressing the muscles to a reasonable degree of stimulation.

you'll gain a bit more of an edge if you stick to set rest periods that dont allow the muscles become too relaxed again

 i,ve seen myself sitting and counting to 60 and then get ready to get to the next set but if i,ve got my training partner there i more or less let him do his set and then i do mine and so forth  i feel this is a good wee break and keeps it going  for a whole work out  . i,ll tell u some thing tho over the pst few days i,ve hated been off for a break . that sounds sad don,t it lol

its not sad, it shows you are passionate but i will give you the best piece of advice that you will EVER come across and if you know this already then I dont mind reminding you, so here it goes.....

...."you do not grow when you are IN the gym, you grow when you are OUT of the gym"....

sounds simple but it is worth remembering that being in the gym is only giving your body the stimulus to grow but it will only grow OUTSIDE of the gym with plenty of rest, food ( good nutrients ) and sleep (which is also rest)

so that week off that you are currently hating so much :-) will be doing you soooo much good.

you'll be:

letting your muscles repair fully,
letting your energy systems have a deserved break
giving your central nervous system a break
letting your energy systems replenish i.e. glycogen stores in the liver and muscle, creatine phosphate stores

lots of things like this.

another little tip as to why a break is always good.
energy levels and energy systems take longer to recover than muscles do.

so even when muscles feel perfectly fine our energy levels can be a dogs dinner.  i'm sure we've all had several of those days were you hit the gym feeling fine only to find that you cant lift crap or everything feels twice as heavy as it should????

it creeps up on us all.

rest and food is the way to go. have a solid workout, eat, eat some more, rest, eat and then sleep.  just dont eat in your sleep as it'll mostly go on as fat   ;-)

 thanks once again mate . i know what u meen about rest
i,ll have to stop thinking that i,m slacking off . mind u works
keeping me busy aswel i,ll  be trying to work out a routine for
next week later on and i,ll post it up for u to look at if u don,t mind

 right lads  it,s near the end off hell (week off) lol
i,ve been readin over and over what u lads have been
saying to me and trying to work out a routine for me to
do next week my monday work out is normaly chest &back
but listening to u lads i,m going to try chest and tri,s
 this is a rough routine i,ve worked out have a look and
any piont or tips will be most helpfull
 
 db bench press pyramid (12-6)
declind bench     pyramid(12-6)
incline db press  pyramid(12-6)
 skull crushers    pyramid(12-6)
 weighted bench dips     (12-6)
 is this alright lads and should i do one for my chest and then one for my tri,s or keep on my chest till i,m done that then go onto my tri,s
i,ll post up one for my back and bi,s later when i,ve worked it out
 

A week off now and again is always good. I had a week off around xmas as i didn't have the time to get to the gym, went back and my lift was so much better.

How comes you are pyramiding all of the sets?
Obviously for me i would do two of the benches and then do flies.

Skull crushers are good (they aggravate my wrists so i do Close grip bench press) and weighted dips are good.

 the reason for this is thats i,ve been doing 5x5 for about
4 odd months and as some off u lads have said to me it
need to be changed to shock the muscle,s i knew this but i was
just set in my ways . i was seeing change,s in my body but  they
were minimal so now i hope this will shock my body into groing and
working a little harder . i,m only going to do this for about 3-4 weeks
and then go back to 5x5 and i,m going to keep doing this if it works for me
fly,s is something i,ve not done yet but i might give them a go . i,m going
to be with out a training partner for a few weeks so i might give it ago
and see how it goes.
 what do u think off this do u think it,ll bring spark back into it
 

 right wednesday is going to be a back and bicep day so i,m going to kick it off with  doing one for your back then one for your bicep and so forth . i think this could be changed a little by u lads as i,m not a hundred percent sure on it

 single rows                      12-6
ez curls with arm blaster   12-6 
seated bent over db rows  12-6
seated db supination curls 12-6
dumbell pullovers               12-6
if u think this is a load off u know what let me know lads . next one is fridays session witch is shoulders and odds and sods

fair play buddy, see how your body reacts to it.

I'd change that to be fair.

Deadlifts, 12,10,8,6,6,6
BB Rows
pull ups?
Seated row
Hammer curls

hi there, been away on my nutrition course for a few days with no internet access.

sounds like a decent change and definately something to challenge yourself with.

though personally, i've always AVOIDED doing 2 muscle groups on the same day that overlap each other. i.e. chest/triceps, because most chest exercises involve using the tri's and therefore i can get the best out of my tricep exercises because they have already been partially worked. granted that this is a specific note which is based on personal preferrence but there is no way on this planet that i'd get through the bicep/back workout at the intensity that I do because every alternating exercise that you are doing is constantly using your biceps.
 
but then i aim for constant progression in my lifts meaning that i'd want all my energy for my bicep lifts without them having already being used i.e in the single rows, pulldowns etc.
 
but just stick with it, see how you find it and if it just wasnt your cup of tea after 4 weeks then revise the situation

. well lads thats the first day off my new training routine,s  . well for the first day i done chest and tri and it was a hard session . i didn,t have a trainig partner so i had to drop a little weight so it was safe enough but not to much that i wasn,t working my muscle hard enough . this is what i don,e i,ll also add weight .
 db bench press.        25/12 30/10 35/8 40/6
 decline bench            63/12 73/10 83/8 93/6
 incline bd                   20/12 25/10 30/8 32/6
 skull crushers            20/12 25/10 30/8 35/6
 weighted bench dips 20/12 30/10 35/8 40/6

 this was a hard day . i,m not to sure if it was that i din,t have a trainign partner or just doing the pyramid sets have made it harder and i,m now happy with the muscles being worked as i can feel it

 a wee update for u lads who have helped me . i,ve just started a
Progress Journal on this link http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/a-new-start-m3884192.aspx and so far after listening to u lads i,m happy with what i have been doing i,ll keep u lot updated on my journal  thanks again lads

that's good to hear  :-)