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what to stack with epistane...? anything new

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2007/07/14 12:49:53 (permalink)

what to stack with epistane...? anything new

Epistane looks like a solid product and after some research i've decided to put my hand in my pocket and purchase some. I'm not really sure if i can expect much from it as a stand-alone product as i have run quite a few of these OTC steroids as well as a cycle of turanabol. Hence i am looking for something to stack it with.

I will be using it on a lean bulk so my aim is to add as much muscle as possible with minimum fat.

The options i have looked at so far are...

1. Oxguno - which as far as i can see is a halodrol clone...? not sure if this is correct or not? if this is the case i will probably opt for halo-MASS as you get more for your £!

2. Furazadrol/Furaguno - An OTC version of the steroid Furazabol and extremely similar to winstrol i believe...? again feel free to correct me if i am wrong..

3. Superdrol

4. Dianabol - just thought id throw this in as i figure that the anti-e properties of epistane may help control the estrogen related sides...

5. 11-OXO _ not to keen due to the price! would rather wait for 3-AD and use this combo on a cut

If there is something i've left out you think is better feel free to let me know...

But what i want to know is what would you guys choose and why?


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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/14 15:56:18 (permalink)
    Hey! Thought I would share my info with you as I am currently awaiting my shipment of Epistane. From what I gather it seems to be a great cutting agent, as there arn't great mass gains but strength gains and body compisition changes are very astounding. I was thinking myself of stacking with Superdrol, but I think these two compounds would counter-act each other. Both give good strength gains but with Superdrol being a better bulking agent, with some water, I don't think it will run well with Epistane. I could be wrong but that's my feelings.

    I decided finally to stack it with 11oxo. Yes it's expensive, but the reports on this are phenomenal. Both of these compounds are relatively new, both are different to what's already out and both seem to complement each other quite well. My opinion is you should dip your hand in your pocket!

    I'm going to run Epistane for 6 weeks, and I'll be running 11oxo for the last 20 days. (Could only afford 2 bottles).

    I'm not thinking of buying Lipodrene (Yohimbine and Ephedra) and possibly a natural anabolic such as Hyperdrol. I'll also be running ALCAR. Hoping to unleash the abs :D

    I'll keep an eye on this thread to see what you decide.
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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/14 17:35:57 (permalink)
    thanks for that mate. so you'll be running 11-oxo at 6 caps a day then?

    i do want to use this but think i will wait for 3-ad. im not really looking to cut, i'm already sitting at about 9% body fat. just in a position where i dont want to do a full on bulk as i'm hoping the sun will reveal itself and give me a chance to get my top off!

    Im leaning towards using halodrol at the moment to be honest though am also tempted by furazadrol.

    i read your epistane thread a few days back and noticed you mentioned a product called "sustenol" after some research i really cant turn up any positive views on the product from anyone i could say would be trustworthy. however most peoples views are based on a dislike for the company and their 'shady' practices as well as not recommending a pct! as opposed to actually trying the product.

    I know stacking three methyls is a bad idea but...as you are a respected member of this forum and whose opinion i would trust i just wondered what your experience was? how much muscle you gained and then kept? what pct you used? whether you found it worked better than a standalone cycle of SD, PP or Halodrol or even two combined?

    thanks, and anymore views on original question appreciated too

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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/15 10:57:39 (permalink)
    Oxyguno is not a Halodrol clone - it is reported to be 4-Chloro-11-keto-17a-methyltestosterone

    On paper it looks fantastic, but user feedback has been mainly poor.

    Epi is a solid product - another from Dr.D! and its not necessary to stack it with anything, although the suggestion of 3AD above looks interesting.
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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/15 16:53:21 (permalink)
    What do you recommend taking with epistane for protection, like milk thistle, etc?
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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/15 17:45:53 (permalink)
    Well I don't know much about the company who makes it, and I probably would also criticise them if they didn't recommend a PCT. I would say that Sustenol isn't an entry-level steroid, and one which should only be used by the more experienced. It's basically, per 2 caps I believe, approximately 20grams Superdrol, 20 grams Pheraplex and 50 grams Halodrol. Now if we break these steroids down individually and look at the dosage, 20grams for both SD and PP is reasonable, and not excessive. Many people would up Superdrol to 30mg, maybe even 40mg. Before I took this I queried our resident "expert" in our IRC chan, and although his opinion is simply that, an opinion, he advised that Halodrol isn't that "harsh". I do want to point out however that this is merely opinion, one I agree with.

    I haven't taken Halodrol on it's own, but I have done both SD and PP on their own and stacked together. The addition of the Halodrol made a big difference, I stayed "pumped" for longer, I had extra reps and strength increases, but the biggest thing I noticed was the lack of shin pumps. When I do SD or PP I usually start on 20mg and up to 30mg, and of course I get shin pumps. I think with the addition of the Halodrol in Sustenol, it allowed the doses of SD and PP to be lower, therefore not causing shin pumps. I gained approximately 21-23 lbs. I had been cutting for a short period before I did the cycle, and I was 12st 3lbs, after I had finished my PCT, and even still now about 2 months after my cycle, I am still 13st 3lbs, so basically 14lbs of weight kept. I have to say however, that I stupidly upped the dose from the recommended 2 caps a day to 3 caps, and I had to cut my cycle short due to problems with my mind, I seemed to be losing it a little. It's difficult to explain but I felt really ill and I was getting paranoid.

    The person who answered the question in my thread about what to stack with Epistane made a valid point, Sustenol already has 3 methyls, is it safe to add another methyl Epistane into this? Another problem is that Epistane is still new and although everyone is raving about it, we still don't know whether there are any bad sides. I do like Sustenol, but I've not ran Epistane before and I think it would be unwise to stack them without running both, due to the sheer power of Sustenol. If you don't fancy running 11oxo then I would recommend Pheraplex. Someone did a post over on Anabolic Minds and I don't fully remember what was said but they apparently compliment each other quite well.

    As for PCT, I would say Nolva is a must if you're new to cycles. I've ran quite a few, and although I have Nolva on hand I prefer to run Rebound Reloaded. The reason for this is I get very bad sides from Nolva, far worse then Steroids themselves!


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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/16 01:06:28 (permalink)
    thanks for the reply.

    i have also run SD and PP as standalone cycles and more recently together. Ive also used megazol, meth rage and mega trn as well as a cycle of turanabol so i feel fairly competent.

    By no means was i intending to run sustenol with episatne. 3 methyls is too much for my liking without running a 4th alongside. i was just interested as to your opinions as depending on what gains etc you had experienced i would consider it for a bulk later on.

    always use nolva and clomid pct whatever steroid i use, cheaper than an OTC ai or atd product anyway.

    havent turned up anything good on oxyguno so am inclined to agree with JMA about that. However seems to be alot of positive feedback on furazadrol though still want to use halodrol i think!

    theres a thread of bb.com suggesting it can be run as either a "wet bulk" with PP or a "smooth bulk" with SD

    o think 11-oxo would dissapoint in the amount of muscle i would gain as it seems to have more strength and hardening properties so will save it for a cut.
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    RE: what to stack with epistane...? anything new 2007/07/16 01:35:52 (permalink)
    I would imagine SD to be the "wetter" of the two, assuming you mean by water retention. PP is far dryer then SD, or so I've found at least.
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