400mg p/w Primobolan Enanthate, 50mg proviron, and a 40,30/20/10 PCT

During this cycle would the proviron be 50mg per day,

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400mg p/w Primobolan Enanthate, 50mg proviron, and a 40,30/20/10 PCT

During this cycle would the proviron be 50mg per day,

400mg primo would be a waste of time imo

500mg test woud be FAR better

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400mg p/w Primobolan Enanthate, 50mg proviron, and a 40,30/20/10 PCT

During this cycle would the proviron be 50mg per day,

400mg primo would be a waste of time imo

500mg test woud be FAR better

why primo is ok for gaining good muscle

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I agree test would be better! But 400mg primo would give results.. and it was just an option for a nice safe, clean results first cycle.

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i think 400mg a week is too low for primo only, even on a first cycle

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first cycle for nearly everyone should be 500mg test enanthate in my opinion.

Without a doubt. . nice and simple and great first and second course. . 8-10 weeks. . grew like a mofo on it and easy pain free jabs.

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first cycle for nearly everyone should be 500mg test enanthate in my opinion.

Without a doubt. . nice and simple and great first and second course. . 8-10 weeks. . grew like a mofo on it and easy pain free jabs.

pct? which one and for how long?

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pct? which one and for how long?

2 weeks after the last injection -
Weeks 1-2 - 40mg tamoxifen (nolva)
weeks 3-4 - 20mg tamoxifen (nolva)

And you certainatly don't have to use Enethante, cypionate is just as good. Or sustanon 250, but e3d jabs would be better for that.

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And you certainatly don't have to use Enethante, cypionate is just as good. Or sustanon 250, but e3d jabs would be better for that.

of course you dont have to use enanthate, but its easy to get pharma, and i always recommend that, and its less painfull than sust with a slightly quicker recovery, so as the gains are pretty much the same, i think its a better choice for a new user

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lol... i love the scrutinisation tha goes on in these sites.. really.

It isnt that i dont consider test safe, it is safe for me. It is in the hands of who is using.

But test is high on sides, that cannot be debated. Primo is low on sides, which also cannot be debated (well it could, but really?)

A GREAT stack i plan to use in the not so far future is 600mg test with 400mg primo for 10 weeks.. this will be real comfortable, but should give the gains of 8-900mg test IMO. The pure anabolic function of primo with an anabolic, androgenic heavily aromatising steroid such as t'rone, well.. it mixes very well as all class I andII steds do.

The gains from primo at 400mg a week would be noticeable, have you used primo Depot?

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used primo many times mate, that cycle you posted up, the doses would be better the other way round, 400mg test and 600mg primo.

i think your making a big deal about nothing with regards the safety of test to be honest, the doses suggested are sensible, and its naturally occuring in the body anyway!

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Jesus, the naturally occuring in the body doesn mean very much really does it?! i hope that is tongue in cheek! So is insulin but you dont go injecting any dose of that do ya?!

i think you are mis-understanding me, let me preface this with the knowledge that i use test with all cycles.. and am currently running 750mg a week with some Eq..

NOW, i am not blowing anything out of proportion.. it is bad for the prostate, HPTA function, estrogenic sides like water gain, fat gain and gyno.
But run in sensible doses and with the correct ancillaries, these sides can be managed well..

On the boards it seems that because test is recommended (correctly so) so often, people forget what it really is capable of negatively and think that means it is the safest steroid in relation to gains and sides. this isnt the case..

I love test though.. so i hope this is coming across as it is supposed to - from a realist POV rather than a pessimist one..

And you are right of course! the test needs to be lower than the primo so as to keep anabolism hign and SIDES(lol) low as possible. Thanks!

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ha ha no worries mate, yeah i do see where your coming from, and certainly people need to know that any use has possible negative effects, not all of which they will be aware of, but posts of that nature tend to come accross wrongly and people dont listen!

and i can hardly tell people that steroids are bad, and then go on to post about having been on 1g of test for the last 5 months

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LOL!! me either!

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so the general opinion is that the first cycle should contain test e or test p, would it be wise to have some HCG through out the course of the cycle. And would the PCT be the standard 21 days of clomid and novla

hmm.. well there are a few avenues you could take. I PERSONALLY use a stasis period then taper..

Nolvadex does do the job though... 4 weeks when the last of the last inj. is gone, so for TE it is around 2 weeks and TP, 5 days to 1 week is enough, depends what the half life is believed to be.. I'd give her a week!

So the nolva is the 4 week 40/40/20/20 IMO works just fine for most recoveries.. i hear that using clomis and nolva is very effective.. i dont know the standard protocol for that but i would do something like: (if anyone knows for sure be sure to correct me if need be)

100mg+40mg/100mg+20mg/50mg+20mg/50mg+20mg then MAYBE go to 20mg/10mg if i felt the need (testes not ticking ;) )

JMO - not exact science i am afraid..!

EDIT: as for HCG, many tend to think it is overrated.. i know it is meant to be better during cycle at 150-250mg 2x a week throughout to keep teste size up.. dunno if that will actually help recovery in the end of it, but it does keep them from excessive atrophy it seems.

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My first cycle was Sus250 + Deca 200 + Dianabol fiest four wks
Worked wonders even though back then my training + diet was ****
Not sayin this is the ideal 1st cycle just saying it worked well

yeah... i know that due to the phenylpropionate it should be used ED or EOD, but i ahev met many men who have had great results from weekly injections of 250-500mg...

Sust and deca is actually a very popular beginner stack as they are drugs that are most well known, along with Dbol and GH!

Testosterone is usually reserved for more advanced users in the eyes of beginners, which shouldnt really be the case IMO..

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500mg test per week

Easy to remember when to inject
Test is well-studied upto and beyond 500mg showing no serious ill effects
Injectable test isn't liver-toxic
One compound only means you know how you feel on Test