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182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible?

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2008/05/12 16:08:50 (permalink)

182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible?

Just wondering what your opinions are on this.

I know a guy that has won a few bodybuilding shows, he is a very good bodybuilder. I wont mention any names but he competes in the masters class so he is at least 40 yrs old maybe a little bit older. He competes in normal bodybuilding shows and not natural ones and for as long as I have known him about 3 years he has sworn that he is natural. I have always believed him because I accept that being 182lbs (his weight at last comp) @ 5ft 4in natural is possible especially after the length of time he has been training which is about 20 years. The reason I am questioning him now is that a year ago he had shoulder surgery which kept him out for about 4 months and now he is a week out from a show and fair play he is looking great, big, very lean and dry. But when I seen him get on the scales he was weighing 198lbs, now that is 16lbs solid muscle increase in 8 months, natural at at least 40yrs of age????

I cant see how that is possible as I know for a start your natural test decreases with age.

what do you think?

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 16:11:53 (permalink)
    he could be a genetic freak. maybe he's on cissus-drol haha.

    just call him a lying fu<ker to his face and judge his reaction haha
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 16:45:28 (permalink)
    The reason Im a bit pi?*&d at him for lying is that yesterday he went through a posing routine with another guy who IS natural. When they were both standing next to each other it became really obvious that he was full of sh*t!!! lol.

    He also gets bull shi&&ed up for being natural i.e. you hear people saying around the gym how good he looks considering he is natural. I tend to laugh when I hear people say it now. But then he goes on to tell me he is going to do the BNBF and the reason why he has never done a natural comp before is because they wouldnt let him due to politics!!! WTF!!! ha ha.

    I dont get it. There are a few boys in the gym who compete and do really well in shows one has even been offered a pro card so its not like people will frown upon him. It would make him look less stupid if he was honest.

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 18:24:59 (permalink)
    If you dont mind me asking mate what gym do you go to mate as Bridgend is a small place?
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 19:32:33 (permalink)
    if hes a natural then its a good thing..


    if hes not and competing in a natural show then hes a w.a.n.k.e.r..



    i love it when people say he may be a..{ genetic freak..mmmm.no such thing...

    steroids dont make champions. they just make champions in to better champions.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 19:38:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: gee39


    i love it when people say he may be a..{ genetic freak..mmmm.no such thing...


    you don't think genetics has a bearing on physical development?
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 19:44:46 (permalink)
    when someone uses the words genetic freak its rubbish its all about hidding the fact.. the fact been the amount of gear they use.. and abuse..

    steroids dont make champions. they just make champions in to better champions.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:03:57 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: gee39

    when someone uses the words genetic freak its rubbish its all about hidding the fact.. the fact been the amount of gear they use.. and abuse..



    Really?

    Goodness me, so you reckon that if you used as much gear as Ronnie you'd be as big?

    Foooool

    Shut up and squat

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:23:26 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: gee39

    if hes a natural then its a good thing..


    if hes not and competing in a natural show then hes a w.a.n.k.e.r..



    i love it when people say he may be a..{ genetic freak..mmmm.no such thing...

    what a stupid comment, so your saying that its not possible for someone to have better genetics than anyone else i.e higher test levels and that everyone is the same

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:40:54 (permalink)
    rite then b4r this get out of hand what im saying is that its strange that every monster you see seems to be a genetic freak

    i find it strange that they all come off the gear and fade away to nothing

    have you seen dorian yeats these days

    he was thee genetic freak.. of freaks..

    some do start on a higher platform than others.. thats for sure..


    steroids dont make champions. they just make champions in to better champions.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:43:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: gee39

    rite then b4r this get out of hand what im saying is that its strange that every monster you see seems to be a genetic freak

    i find it strange that they all come off the gear and fade away to nothing

    have you seen dorian yeats these days

    he was thee genetic freak.. of freaks..

    some do start on a higher platform than others.. thats for sure..




    well mate, its bad for the health being so big (stress on heart etc.)
    And they dont fade away to nothing!

    Not every monster is a genetic freak, but its helpful having genetics on your side to get to being a monster

    Shut up and squat

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:48:52 (permalink)
    have you seen dorian yeats these days

    he was thee genetic freak.. of freaks..


    Yes, I saw him around 3 weeks ago actually, he's still pretty big

    Dorian was never regarded as a genetic freak....he was just massive. Genetic freaks were people like Levrone, Wheeler
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:49:17 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Greenranger







    well mate, its bad for the health being so big (stress on heart etc.)
    And they dont fade away to nothing!

    Not every monster is a genetic freak, but its helpful having genetics on your side to get to being a monster




    i agree with you there..


    but you know there is a reason why all pros in the sport dont want you to know what they really take you no..

    i like the image you have of the sport i really do its the way it should be...

    steroids dont make champions. they just make champions in to better champions.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 20:52:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Adil

    have you seen dorian yeats these days

    he was thee genetic freak.. of freaks..


    Yes, I saw him around 3 weeks ago actually, he's still pretty big

    Dorian was never regarded as a genetic freak....he was just massive. Genetic freaks were people like Levrone, Wheeler



    if you think levrone is a genetic freak well ive see plenty of pics of him off the gear and you couldent be more wrong..

    steroids dont make champions. they just make champions in to better champions.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 21:12:01 (permalink)
    There are gentic freaks out there;

    *they have no consept of diet - yet still grow big

    *they take small amounts of gear - yet still grow big

    *they have no set gym routien - yet still grow big.

    When people tick thoughs 3 boxes THEN your a genetic freak.

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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 21:22:30 (permalink)
    of course there are genetic freaks out there.

    it doesnt mean they will be huge and ripped all the time though, they just have the genetic makeup to respond very well to training.

    16 pounds in 8 months isnt doable naturally i dont think, unless he has previously been much bigger than that, in which case muscle memory might make it more possible but it would still be a push i think.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 22:16:46 (permalink)
    At that age you don't pack on the muscle and get ripped both. It just doesn't happen.
    There are people that are outliers on the genetic spectrum, but some here seem to believe that the 'genetic freak' explanation goes further than I do.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 22:32:10 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Rockwell

    At that age you don't pack on the muscle and get ripped both. It just doesn't happen.
    There are people that are outliers on the genetic spectrum, but some here seem to believe that the 'genetic freak' explanation goes further than I do.


    I must agree mate, I wasn't ever saying this bloke is a genetic freak or anything of the like,

    More arguing that genetic freaks do exist (lance armstrong as an example of someone outside BBing)

    16lb is a lot of weight gain for eight months...

    Shut up and squat

    UGM
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/12 22:42:36 (permalink)
    might be worth noting that i was the only person to use the term in this thread, and even then i wasnt serious.
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    RE: 182lbs to 198lbs in 8 months natural @ 40. Possible? 2008/05/13 09:42:08 (permalink)
    I train at 2 gyms, one in Bridgend and the other some where else lol. I wont mention the name of the gym as people can put 2 and 2 together. The gym in Bridgend that I train at is called first class.

    Anyway I was talking to him last night about contest prep etc and he said that he gets stronger closer to the show!!! lol. He is 1 week out and pressed 140kg for 3 sets of 6.

    As said above there are definately genetic freaks and Levrone is definately one of them. He can go from around 180lbs + to 240 -250lbs in 6 months and has done so on a few occasions. Now even with a boat load of gear that is some awsome genetics going on lol. Being a genetic freak in this business means a few things - having a great genetic structure to begin with i.e. round full muscle bellies, small joint etc. Then you have those that respond amazingly to AS and training. A massive part to being susccesfull in bodybuilding is genetics. Do you think that there were people who practised more than pele or maradonna? Of course there were. What set them apart from the rest was thier genetics........

    To put on a stone of muscle in around 8 months @ at least 40yrs of age natural (with the test levels of a 40yr old) is bull lol.

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