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1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250.

hi, im 21 years old, been same size/ weight since 15 (early developer) im 5.11", slightly under 200lbs. i have a stocky build but a bit excess fat around the stomach.  since i have been the same shape for years i decided to to turn to steriods just to give me that extra boost. Ive decided on enanthate250. i know people will say im too young but i look alot older and have done for years.  all im asking is a bit advice on how much i should be taking a week, i was gunna start with 500mg, with 2 250mg injections.

any advice will be great. thanks
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    nGH
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 17:44:49 (permalink)
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    OK doesnt matter what we say because you're going to do it anyway!! One thing though for the love of god at least make sure you're diet is right!!
     
    If its pharma grade test then it's dosed at 250mg/ml. so inject 2ml into buttocks / quads. No more then 1.5ml in the shoulders and no more then 1ml in the biceps.
     
    You will need the following:
     
    Adex 0.5mg EOD
    LIV52
     
    Make sure you drink enough water and take vitamins.
     
    For PCT you will need:

    Nolva
    Clomid
    HCG
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 17:46:59 (permalink)
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    pretty big lad for your age! and if you were 200lb at 15 thats pretty mad. depends what your goals are, that what your suggesting is a good starter cycle but maybe look into fat cutting steroids to get that body shape you really want, like if you cut the fat from your stomach your going to appear much bigger

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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 17:48:03 (permalink)
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    Mate he can loose the weight via diet + cardio..... too early for fat cutting steroids for him as by the looks of it he hasnt even attempted dieting or cardio.... otherwise he wouldnt have the fat :)
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 18:01:15 (permalink)
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    I play football twice a week and go swimming twice a week, i started both these a few month back.  the fat is slowly going, i understand that now i have to do cardio if i'm to do this cycle.  My diet is the problem as i do love crappy foods, but if i'm to take this seriously i know i have to stick to my diet.

    i was told milk thistle.  this any good?


    thanks for replys.
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 18:49:39 (permalink)
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    Yes milk thistle and grab yourself some Alpha Men from myprotein!
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 19:30:04 (permalink)
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    Wouldn't bother with Milk Thistle, personally. Although can add if you fancy it! Can't harm!
     
    Same with HCG, don't think it's necessary for a Test only 12 weeker.
     
    Nolva would do, but Clomid and Nolva would be better. Although many people have quite adverse reactions to Clomid, so dunno whether it's worth the risk!
     
    Enanthate can be jabbed once a week, so decide whether you wanna jab once or twice, your call.
     
    Adex is, again, a good idea but not necessary! If it's your first cycle, might be worth trying it without and see how you get on. Have it on hand though should gyno symptoms, excessive bloat occour.
     
    Lots of water and limit sodium intake will minimise the bloat!

    As for the 'fat cutting steroids' (whatever they are!) I would strongly advise against this due to the fact that it's your first cycle, you should gain like mad and you don't want to waste this with a cut!
     
    If you want to be lean then I'd cut naturally FIRST then hit the gear!
     
    Good luck mate!
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 20:02:32 (permalink)
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    IMHO mate still run adex at 0.5mg EOD to control estrogen, people seem to forget that excess estrogen can hinder gains dramatically.
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 20:58:29 (permalink)
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    " i've been the same weight for years "

    Probably because you never put the effort in then isn't it you duffer!... Either your diet was w@nk or your training was sh1te.. there's no other possible excuse for that outcome. My gran could lose or gain weight simply by attending the gym and addressing her eating habits (if she wasn't in a wooden box)

    Simply put mate you don't need steroids and they won't change the fact that your diet and training are n't cutting the mustard, so when you come off you're back to square one 6 months down the line.

    You can save yourself a lot of bother and money just by pulling your finger out and doing a bit in the first place.

    Happy days anyway, makes no ends to me, i don't even know why i've typed this out.. maybe i need to get a fvcking life.

    Fire away with your cycle.


    Oh and milk thistle can affect protein synthesis.... DETRIMENTALLY. It's best avoided... see a past bigfella post for more details.


    Ps sorry to sound blunt fella, i don't intend to come across as taking the piss but you NEED to sort that diet out, no excuses, if you're going to start moving forward you need to be addressing that asap and sticking to it.


    And ignore that about 'fat cutting steroids' ... there's no such thing. Absolute sh1te.
    post edited by Doink - 2011/04/05 21:04:30
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 22:09:49 (permalink)
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    Agree with Doink.
     
    If you aint put any weight or size on since 15 your diet needs addressing whether you cycle or not.
     
    Also 21 isn't too young, its the standard minimum age people will says your good to go. Funny quote was "i know you will say im too young but i look older" LOL fair play 
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 22:47:42 (permalink)
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    x2 with Doink was actually contemplating digging up that post about milk thistle being counter productive to muscle growth.
     
    Also, milk thistle is generally recommended by others for oral cycles due to stress on the liver. This is unnecessary, as Test-e is injectable and considerably less stressful. Recommended 500/pw (2x250ml). Standard pct of Nolva and you should be good to go. Don't over complicate it especially for your first cycle. To maximize quality gains out of your cycle, work on that diet.
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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/05 23:41:55 (permalink)
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    Doink just summed up what I was thinking.

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    Re:1st ever course of steriods. enanthate 250. 2011/04/06 01:44:58 (permalink)
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    Doink
     My gran could lose or gain weight simply by attending the gym and addressing her eating habits (if she wasn't in a wooden box) 

     
    To be fair she's probably losing weight better than any of us mate

    Current training: 6-day split
    Current cycle: Test E @ 500mg per week

    Current stats:
    Height : 192cm
    Weight : 272lbs
    Body Fat : 15.4%
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