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2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help!

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2009/07/16 11:19:59 (permalink)

2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help!

Hello everyone,

Im looking to start my second cycle soon but am looking for more strength gains with a solid look and plenty of cuts. The cycle i did at start of last year was:-

Wk 1 - 5, Dianabol 50mg ED
Wk1 - 8, Sustanon 250mg E/W
Wk 1 - 8 Deca 300mg e/w
PCT Nolva & HCG.

Loved this cycle but bulked up a bit to much.

Ive read about Tren, but as its only my second cycle ive read its more for the more experienced.

I also play Rugby and this is one reason why i am not looking to bulk to much as it effected my speed etc last time.

As its only my second cycle i was thinking of some sort of cycle based around Anavar, sustanon and winny. Maybe not all three compounds but the best combo of maybe 2 of them.

Any advice on AAS to use and how to cycle these, plus any PCT would be greatly appreciated.

Bit of Background on me. Im 31 yrs old, been training for at least 12 years, play Rugby (only local side, no testing), 5ft 10ins, 80KG, BF around 17%. Diet is good and strict.

Thank you .
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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/16 11:28:20 (permalink)
    To be honest mate i think your bodyfat is a bit too high to be able to use something like winnie to get the full potential from it. It's sometimes not possible to get the strength and to get lean in one cycle, especially at the stage your at with your aas experience. Bit stuck with this one, someone else will have to help. Sorry mate

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/16 13:42:30 (permalink)
    Hello again,
     
    I took my BF reading off one of those weight, height etc machines in Tesco. Maybe it is actually less as i know people with BF of around 10% that seem to carry more fat then me. My abs are visable and only have very minimal fat at bottom of abs around my waist. I am guessing this machine is wrong (hope so anyway ha ha).
     
    Any other advice on Cycle etc is appreciated.
     
     
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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 07:11:56 (permalink)
    if you give us a photo of your hips to neck we can guestimate your BF% mate.

    Personally Ive never been a big fan of trying to cut and bulk at the same time.  Not even sure its possible as its all down to calorie intake and energy used.

    I know what your after.  You want the perfect body yesterday.  Don't worry, were all like that in the western world, myself included.  haha

    Get a headless photo up mate if you want you BF guessing.  Better than those crappy scales you mention.

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 08:23:54 (permalink)
    Cheers for the input Mickey. Appreciated.

    Its probably the strength im after more than the cuts if im honest. Ive def hit a major plateau going natural and looking for a cycle that will give me good strength gains but without the big bulking and water retention.

    As you say, in a perfect world we'd all big massive and ripped, but understand thats not possible. Just dont want the compounds that add lots of water retention as it effects my Rugby too much. Just want to put on quality muscle but am looking for the compounds that are more stregth orientated.

    Thanks again and will try and get a pic up tonight with regards to BF. Seriously hope them machines are wrong, im sure they are, ha ha.

    Thanks
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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 09:03:22 (permalink)
    Yeah there are plenty of roids that wil increase your strength and keep you lean but you wont actually cut anything if you see what I mean.  You'll get stronger and more defined harder muscles but you wont necessarily cut fat. 

    Diet and cardio is where it is at to cut fat.  Not really qualified to say re roids mate as im a master of test en and nothing else.  I dont bloat on it so it does all I need where there cutting or clean bulk.  Im sure there would be better for you.

    Primo may do you proud but its the most faked roid ever and the most expensive.

    Not to scare you but I had deca in my first 2 cycles and I suffered badly from rage. 99% of people don't seem too but if you feel yourself going that way, drop the deca.

    Another point mate, if this is your first cycle forget all about stacking roids.  If anything does go wrong you know not to use that compound again.  If your a know it all tosser I was you would will dive straight in and take a huge stack and have a huge period of trial and error till you find out the culprit in my case the deca.  Hence how I ONLY take Test en now.


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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 09:04:51 (permalink)
    ooops, just realised its not your first cycle.  sorry mate.

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 11:03:47 (permalink)
    I ran Tren E and it wasnt nearly as scary as I had been led to believe, worked a wonder.

    That being said I have a high threshhold and many will advise to run Tren A as it will be out of your system quicker if you have problems with it. Although on the flipside I understand Tren A can be harsher and the tren cough a higher risk.

    Tren is pretty magic tbh.



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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 11:30:47 (permalink)
    Nothing bloats me more than Dbol mate.  I get nothing off it but bloat and strength gains.  Pritty pointless really for me.  Blow up like a balloon, then deflate like a balloon. And damage my kidneys and liver a little whilst I enjoy the ride.



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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 12:53:42 (permalink)
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    I ran Tren E and it wasnt nearly as scary as I had been led to believe, worked a wonder.

    That being said I have a high threshhold and many will advise to run Tren A as it will be out of your system quicker if you have problems with it. Although on the flipside I understand Tren A can be harsher and the tren cough a higher risk.

    Tren is pretty magic tbh.


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    Start off slow, maybe 200mg a week and if ok increase to 400mg, thats what I did, no problems. The only problem was when I miscalculated and injected 800mg, the side effect of that was 3 days of extreme anxiety which faded.
     
     
     

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 13:45:25 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for your input.

    I heard that Tren is particulaly good for the strength, but as i mentioned, ive only done one cycle before and heard its more for the more experienced as sides can be bad.

    And i agree with you mickey that D-bol just bloats you up and then you just drop it all after.

    Any one had much experience on Anavar? How is this for strength gains? I know you dont bloat or bulk that much on this.
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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 14:02:58 (permalink)
    Tren is pretty magic tbh.

     
    I'll vouch for that one too...

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 14:13:37 (permalink)
    Has anyone here tried primo? Wouldn't it be superb in this instance for what dingleby wants.  As said though its cost and if its legit that the prob.

    Or is tren better in this instance.  I have no experience of either.

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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 16:14:52 (permalink)
    dingleby10

    Thanks everyone for your input.

    I heard that Tren is particulaly good for the strength, but as i mentioned, ive only done one cycle before and heard its more for the more experienced as sides can be bad.

    And i agree with you mickey that D-bol just bloats you up and then you just drop it all after.

    Any one had much experience on Anavar? How is this for strength gains? I know you dont bloat or bulk that much on this.

    Tren is to be treated with caution for a number of reasons, not least it has never be licenced for use in humans, it is used to improve yield in livestock.
     
    It has an anabolic ratio of 500 against Test at 100, so will yield great results at low dose. The sides, can be harsh, however in my own experience and those of the small group I know personally, they have been minimal because it was treated with respect and doesages were increased incrementally.
     
    Tren cough has only ever happened to me once, it was awful but as I knew what it was I didnt panic, and I learnt never to inject tren into a quad other than very very slowly.
     
    Treat it carefully, and moderately to start observing well known protocl and you will be fine, however its not something you want to stay on for a long time at its seems, at least anecdotally that sides accrue and increase.


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    Re:2nd Cycle. Looking for strength and cut gains as opposed to bulking. Help! 2009/07/17 17:09:02 (permalink)
    dingleby10


    Any one had much experience on Anavar? How is this for strength gains? I know you dont bloat or bulk that much on this.



    Hey Bro

    im currently on 100mg/day of a var only cycle and i love the stuff. strength gains have been consistent as well as muscles hardening and becoming more vascular and i am maintaining my body weight..
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