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2005/08/03 04:46:31 (permalink)
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2nd cycle advice

which of the following cycles looks better to you?

Cycle A
weeks 1-12: Test Enan 500mg/wk
weeks 1-10: Deca Durabolin 300mg/wk
weeks 1-4: Dbol 25mg/ed
weeks 1-14: Proviron 25mg/ed or Adex 0.25mg/ed
weeks 3-14: HCG 250-500iu/e5d
weeks 15-19: Nolva PCT

Cycle B
weeks 1-10: Test Enan 500mg/wk
weeks 5-10: NPP 75mg/eod or 100mg/e3d
weeks 1-4: Dbol 25mg/ed
weeks 1-12: Proviron 25mg/ed or Adex 0.25mg/ed
weeks 3-12: HCG 250-500iu/e5d
weeks 13-17: Nolva PCT

both very similar, but 1 is NPP and the other deca, i'm after the maximum gains in terms of mass whilst minimising estrogen related sides and HPTA/test recovery problems, swayed towards cycle A at the moment but if i can get away with E3D NPP shots i might go with cycle B instead. thoughts/comments?
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    k1
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/03 05:14:22 (permalink)
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    there both pretty much the same, the Npp will be less surpressive than the deca so personally i would do that.

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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/03 15:53:37 (permalink)
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    in reality k1 the difference in shutdown between those two will be minimal to be honest.

    I would definately go for the first cycle though out of those two...everything looks good, 300 deca is perhaps a touch conservative but it doesnt really matter.

    The HCG looks OTT to me as well, but if that works for you......


    all in all its a nice cycle should give great results
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/03 20:32:42 (permalink)
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    Hi fina,
    I have to respectfully disagree there my friend.

    NPP will never reach the blood levels of normall deca, so with respect deca is a lot more surpressive of the hpta than Npp.

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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/03 21:25:51 (permalink)
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    in reality k1 the difference in shutdown between those two will be minimal to be honest


    any reason specifically you say that? a few guys i know and some on the board have said recovery is improved and sides lessened.
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/03 22:17:16 (permalink)
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    fair enough kev ill stand corrected then as I'm not 100% confident on NPP yet
    must admit looking back i see the NPP is only being run for half the time of the deca so yea reading it again the first cycle would be more suppresive than the second for that reason.....interesting you say NPP will never reach the blood levels of normal deca (at the same dose?), whys that?
    I'm new to NPP myself actually just started to look at it in the last month or so, so quite interested to hear your views!

    However I still think the NPP will shut you down hard as although its run for half the time its still nandrolone at the end of the day so hpta suppression will always be an issue.
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/04 00:08:49 (permalink)
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    Hi Fina my friend,
    I have used Npp, it truly is marvellous stuff, with a Test Prop 6 week cycle.

    The Pheylpropinate version will not reach the steady ramp up of normal Deca, as by nature being a Phelypropinate eod injections are needed to keep them at there high, which as Deca takes 3 weeks to build to its high . plus once there they stay with twice weekly injections, Pheylpropinate by nature will be reducing because of the ester.

    It is actuall quite a weak steroid, so really 500-700mg per week is needed, as NPP is normally 100mg/ml you can see the problem. I tried this to see what wood happen, so I did 2 weeks of ed injections.

    I had too go back to eod as I started feeling anxious and nervous, it was a nervous type feeling and went when i went back down to eod.

    If you think about it, doing a gramm plus of gear a week as a novice seems alot, but remember its the acetate or propinate or pheylpropinate and a gram of quick acting gear will never reach the levels of a gramm of say Test Enanthate.

    kev
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    Fina
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/04 10:22:47 (permalink)
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    ah thats cool kev cheers for that I posted up a while back for some experiences on NPP and there didnt seem to be many guys who had tried it!
    Glad to hear you like it, will definately give it a go soon.

    so what exactly was your cycle?

    1-6 NPP eod
    1-6 Prop eod

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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/04 12:58:41 (permalink)
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    the best mass builder is by far cycle 1

    the less sides cycle is cycle 2, you will have to decide your main priority, and also keep an eye on bp which will be worse on cycle 1.

    hcg doesnt need to be run like that, even on huge cycles i would suggest using it only every 6 weeks, (i spread out 5000 iu over a few dose and do them eod, works well for me).
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    RE: 2nd cycle advice 2005/08/04 13:33:14 (permalink)
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    Hi fina
    yes mate my ccyle was as you wrote it.

    the omly thing you missed is that i take with every cycle a anti e,( aromasin) throughout and recovery. so for me even your first plan, sides are less and no bloat , which means throughout my cycles i very realy have even raised blood pressure, ok it does a bit .

    i am a fan of short cycles though, and really ever only use Tren, Test Prop, Npp, Anavar are my favorites. I have a few guys at the gym on Npp, if you get the carbs right mate it is awsome stuff.

    kev
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