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KS_Manchester
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2014/12/06 13:18:18 (permalink)

8 weeks....

Hi folks,

Why is 100mg of Halo ok for 8 weeks

..but 12mg of Mdien is 30 days max?

Is it sides or hepatoxicity or HDL ratio?

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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 14:39:05 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/12/08 18:59:45
IME it would be down to sides just being harsher with mdien. I would certainly say mdien takes its toll on your body more so than halo. 
 
Having said that mdien would blow halo away even at the 8mg dose.
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 15:46:39 (permalink)
Broscience mostly, because mdien is more toxic than halodrol, but nobody takes into account that toxicity is dose-dependant and 100mg is a hell of a lot more than 12mg.
 
The truth is, we just don't know the potency/toxicity ratio of steroids, or what the "safe" dose is. 100mg of halodrol could very well be more toxic than 12mg of mdien, let alone when used for twice as long.
 
How tolerable sides are is another issue, one that depends on the individual and is always a factor with any steroid, not just orals. Some steroids may not actually be toxic, but become unbearable when used for long periods of time, hence the recommendation of using them in short bursts.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/12/06 15:48:25
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 16:46:03 (permalink)
Yep, it's a tough one, and along the lines i was thinking. Dose vs sides vs not quite sure.

I am thinking bloods after 4 weeks of mdien, then after every 2 weeks - chance to switch to PCT if readings look bad.

Will be doing 8 weeks of 100mg halo, but just wondering if 8 weeks 8mg mdien is pushing it (and maybe 12mg on training days because i know how pumped i was when i took 70mg m4ohn on occasion instead of 60mg - that extra 10mg was very noticeable and without sides).

Really keen to try mdien, but 'cautious' of gyno (nolva/formastane/p5p/etc)

Looking forward to Halo though. Just another 3 months before that cycle starts.....

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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 17:08:45 (permalink)
Would be nice to see ALT/AST levels with various orals and really know which are more toxic at their effective doses, rather than just going by some old studies on rats that gauge their effects on a mg/mg basis without considering that you're often comparing two steroids which one is used at 10x the dose of the other.
 
In terms of lipids you already know from M4OHN that even stuff considered "mild" can be hazardous. I reckon any dry anabolic used at proper doses will, and that includes halo, epi or most stuff you'd see recommended to beginners because they're "not harsh".
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 17:18:02 (permalink)
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post edited by lancs_lad - 2014/12/06 17:39:11
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/06 17:40:16 (permalink)
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Would be nice to see ALT/AST levels with various orals and really know which are more toxic at their effective doses, rather than just going by some old studies on rats that gauge their effects on a mg/mg basis without considering that you're often comparing two steroids which one is used at 10x the dose of the other.
 
In terms of lipids you already know from M4OHN that even stuff considered "mild" can be hazardous. I reckon any dry anabolic used at proper doses will, and that includes halo, epi or most stuff you'd see recommended to beginners because they're "not harsh".


Yes, i got mid cycle (4 weeks in) bloods for halo and m4ohn and both raised ALT and Lipids in similar ways.

Edit: actually, i didn't do bloods for my 1st halo cycle, only for my epi and m4ohn. Anyway, 40mg epi was still toxic as 60mg m4ohn on ALT and HDL ratio. So... will do bloods for 100mg halo to see how it goes. I suppose lack of estro causes HDL ratio to be a problem. Estro has its benefits..

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post edited by KS_Manchester - 2014/12/06 18:24:19
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/08 16:32:02 (permalink)
60 mg of M4ohn is not a high dose? I mean the bottle say 2-3 pills/day (20-30 mg isnt it?) Just wondering
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/08 17:04:35 (permalink)
M4OHN is one of those steroids that is incredibly powerful on paper (ie on the levator ani muscle of male rats), but then doesn't really work that well. The official books claim an anabolic effect about 13x as high as testosterone, so 6mg a day should produce gains like 600mg of test E per week. In reality it's more like anavar (which is also stronger on paper than in reality), and needs to be dosed somewhat high.
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/08 18:51:41 (permalink)
Do you get your bloods done privately or by your doctor KS?
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/08 19:01:59 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby KS_Manchester 2014/12/08 21:14:07
As to mdien, never read any improvement in results by going to 12mg.
Longer on 8mg would be my choice.
And I would rather run mdien than halo.
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Re: 8 weeks.... 2014/12/08 21:14:46 (permalink)
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Do you get your bloods done privately or by your doctor KS?


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