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2009/07/23 20:23:05 (permalink)

A bit small

I'm unaware my "typing style" was looked down on, on this site. I didn't think it was a big deal. It's how I nominally type on the internet and how others reply.
 
Dear good members of Muscle Talk
 
I feel I'm slightly below average weight for my height. I have trying to combat this by training at home, I am unable to afford a gym membership, with my brother by doing what we thought would work. I didn't think diet would play a big role in building muscle, I have been told calories in = calories out and thought that if I just ate more calories than normal I should be gaining muscle.
 
After a few months with reasonable strength gains but very minimal (if that) size gains I have decided to search for help online. The first few topics I found online where about steroids - I thought this was the only way to go. With this thought in mind I started to ask around to see if I could get my hands on some, I found this surprisingly easy but didn't make the leap to buy any and because of a few comments on my last thread I have decided against it.
 
First few things; I obviously need to change my diet and this isn't a case of, I'll have chicken and beef steak throughout the day, i simply can't afford it. I would appreciate it if someone would put together a cheap(ish) diet, something that would be around the region of £30 p/w. I'm not a fussy eater, there are few things I dislike and will refuse to eat.
 
I would also like to lose some body fat whist gaining muscle; I'm assuming this can be achieved by doing cardio in the morning before any food? My body fat is in the region of 20% and I would like it slightly lower maybe 3% just for personal satisfaction.
 
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    Big M!
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 20:38:07 (permalink)
    3% body fat :O lol
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 20:44:12 (permalink)
    What I was supposed to say is reduce my body fat by 3%
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 20:47:28 (permalink)
    Welcome to MT mate. Yeah, with regards to typing, people will go out of their way to help most people as long as the post is easy to read! :-)

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 20:51:07 (permalink)
    lil J slice

    I'm unaware my "typing style" was looked down on, on this site. I didn't think it was a big deal. It's how I nominally type on the internet and how others reply.


    You'll not get others replying in such a manner here. As a guide it's just courtesy to try to ensure that your post is as clear to the reader as possible. I don't want to waste my time doubling the amount of time required to read and understand a post and I'm sure most here would have the same opinion. It's not hard typing in English. We are in England after all.

    Thanks
     

     
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 20:52:36 (permalink)
    A cheap diet as a starter would be something like this.

    9am - four slices of brown bread toasted with a protein shake and a glass of juice

    11am - 2 slices of brown bread and 1 tin of tuna made into a sandwich

    1pm - same as above

    3pm - tin of piltchards and some pasta

    17pm train
    17:45 -  protein shake

    18:45 -  large plate of pasta and a turkey breast and mixed veg

    20pm - 2 slices of granary with 6 whole eggs scrambled

    10pm - another shake

    This diet is far from perfect, it is not one size fits all. It should however set you a platform and you can adjust accordingly. I'm not a great fan of 3 shakes per day however, as cost is an issue i feel this is perhaps best.

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 21:31:15 (permalink)
    Welcome to MT.

    I have to admit that I had to control myself to not comment on your typing style when I first replied.
    I teach a lot of kids (music in case you were curious) and have to hear/read gangsta speak regularly.
    I've seen essays written in text speak also- which is hilarious (instant fail).

    It doesn't bother me per se, but you didn't come across as particularly intelligent, logical or even serious about body building. A lot of people come here asking similar questions- they usually last a few weeks and then you never hear from them again.

    I answered because I figured you couldn't be as dumb as you came across, and it appears you are not so I am pleased.

    You might want to work on asking specific questions- saying (for example) 'How do I train' isn't an easy question to answer but something like "What ratio of High Intensity Cardio to Weight training will get me the biggest size gains" is a question that can be answered (probably 20 different ways).
    You get the idea.
    A lot of your questions were too general to answer and/or you tried to tell us the answer and were looking for confirmation (re steroids).

    However, it isn't my house though so I didn't comment.

    Regarding the rest of your post, yes diet plays a very large part in body building.
    Training is only an hour or so a day- eating right is a 24 (or 16) hour a day job.
    £30 a week is going to be tricky- I spend around £100 a week but I don't have to monitor it.

    I know others do it on a budget so I will let them comment on that part should they choose to.

    I am less concerned with the timing of my cardio/weights.
    I do my cardio in the afternoon and my weights in the morning because it suits me to do them in those times.

    The single best piece of advice I can give is find what works for you.

    There are some limits to what is possible (ie overtraining will result in poor results) but that aside you just need to do it. I do my cardio in the afternoon because I hate to do anything on an empty stomach or indeed particularly early.  
    Is ti worse for my training to do it in the afternoon rather than the morning?
    Well it doesnt really matter- because I wouldn't last very long doing it in the morning.
    Doing it in the afternoon is MUCH better than NOT doing it in the morning (if you get what I mean).
    I know that I'll last about a week if I do my cardio in the morning- so I do it in the afternoon- and I do it 3 days a week without fail.  
    Weights are fine to do in the morning, for me about 10am. Works great. For me.
    What works for me isn't good for you- so don't be afraid different things-mix it up and keep it interesting.

    There are a lot of good articles on the forum that give you general information on how to begin.

    Gud luk wit it, fo shizzle.

    post edited by octatonic - 2009/07/23 21:37:05
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 22:06:07 (permalink)
    With regards to your overtraining comment, I’ve been thinking and browsing online about it.

    I'm considering starting a 3 day all over routine rather than a 3 day split. My logic behind it is to put small but easily recoverable tax on my body so I can get the most out of training, without jumping right into a split routine and put a large amount of stress on each body part that might be a bit too much. It’s a case of little and often rather than jumping in the deep end.
     
    I’ve seen a few ideas on MT where I people have been making home made weight gain shakes, and with this idea in mind I was thinking of the following diet:
     
    8am 100g oats, 30g whey, 500ml ss milk
     
    11am 100g pasta 1 tin of tuna
     
    2pm 100g pasta 1 tin of tuna
     
    5pm 100g rice, 150g lean mince
     
    7pm 100g oats, 30g whey, 30g peanut butter, water
     
    Train
     
    9pm 100g rice, 200g turkey mince
     
    11pm 1 pint of milk, 30g whey
     
    Is this a good start?
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 22:33:12 (permalink)
    Getting better.

    Diet:
    You really should get some fruit and veges into you.
    Your goal might be to get massive but it is going to be a lot easier if you concentrate on being healthy as well.

    I would substitute the pasta for a baked potato, couscous, quinoa or some other carb.
    I stay away from rice, but brown rice is fine- I usually can't be arsed spending 30 mins making it so I go for couscous (takes 3 mins).

    Also what you have listed is essentially a cutting diet. 
    I would be starving on that diet.

    This is a cutting diet.
    http://www.muscletalk.c...up-guide-to-cutting.aspx


    This is a bulking diet.
    http://www.muscletalk.c...rticle-mass-gaining.aspx


    Training: Yes, a full body workout, 3 times a week is going to be great for the first 6-10 weeks.

    Well done on your decision to stay off the gear. 

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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 23:12:16 (permalink)
    It may seem small but I'm actually coming from eating around 800-1400 calories a day to eating something that is around the 3000 mark. That is quite a big step and should, in theory be some good gains along the way? Like you said, everyone is different.

    I do agree that I need vegetables and fruit, I will more than likely incorporate them into all the meals.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 23:17:24 (permalink)
    Thanks Redbull for taking the time to post a diet, much appreciated!

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/23 23:44:05 (permalink)
    LOL.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/24 11:09:05 (permalink)
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    Thanks Redbull for taking the time to post a diet, much appreciated!


    i appreciated it
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/24 11:20:39 (permalink)
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    Thanks Redbull for taking the time to post a diet, much appreciated!


    Sorry Redbull I thought it was a great plan and based mine on it, I just forgot to make a post.
     
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/24 13:54:49 (permalink)
    It's good to see you can speak English when you want to, and that the gansta speak is just put on. I gather this is the same for most kids who speak like that. It's a shame we can't value the English language the way other countries value theirs, then again I guess there's not a great deal to value about England these days anyway.

    Sorry for the off topic post, just things like that grate on me.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/24 15:06:52 (permalink)
    5 packs of digestive biscuits and 5 protein shakes a day should see you good. Maybe a plum tomatoes also
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/24 20:50:24 (permalink)
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    Red Bull

    Thanks Redbull for taking the time to post a diet, much appreciated!


    Sorry Redbull I thought it was a great plan and based mine on it, I just forgot to make a post.
     
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    No probs mate, I was in a little bit of a bad mood and the amount of times people have pm'd me and i've typed out a long response in answer to their query and i've had not so much as a thank you lol.
     
    Regards
     
    a bitter and twisted red bull

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:A bit small 2009/07/27 00:52:07 (permalink)
    am the same bit tight on the budget get paid in 2 weeks lol!
    Been having tuna and mackeral most of the time. For breakfast made sure i had porridge oats wiv 3 slices brown bed wiv peanut butter and a protein shake with 2 egg whites - its a cheap breakfast but also with the tuna l have later in the day dont work out too bad (not ideal) but pay day soon approaches.

    Good luck
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