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2014/11/20 18:57:36 (permalink)

A mid-life training crisis maybe?

Hello Everyone, im new here. Started training at 14, now im the grand old age of 44. Trained like an idiot at first (as most of us do), wasted many years training wrong, bad form, diet etc etc etc. I eventually got my act together in my late twenties (not a fast learner, it seems). Anyway, since my late thirties, gains seem to be a distant memory. I train my ass off 3 days a week (but dont over train), diets bang on, sleep, fitness etc etc. I took steroids in my early twenties for a short while but these days i take a lot of pride in still being able to train heavy without them, although strength gains seem to be a thing of the past. Now to the point, its getting a bit frustrating, not one to just think "sod it, il train like an old git from now on". A friend of mine, with a similar way of thinking is suggesting we go back to the dark side. With Testosterone heading down hill, i was wondering if some of the more experienced folk have any advice. My mate wants to hit the Nap50/or/Dianabol. I cant say im not tempted, its a pisser getting older. Any advice welcome.
 
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 19:15:19 (permalink)
    Have you had your Testosterone levels tested by a G.P. ?
    This would be a good idea before venturing into the Darkside.
    Personally I think you would be better off going down the injectable route rather than orals; but that is just my own personal opinion.
    Something like Sustanon or Testosterone Enanthate would be good for a first cycle.
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 19:24:09 (permalink)
    Hi n welcome to MT
    Point one.....you're not old trust me.
    Point two...if you're training hard, in good health n your diet's sorted then I can't think of a reason why you shouldn't rejoin the darkside 
     
    I'd personally stay away from Oxy n Dbol n run a straight 12 weeks cycle of test E or C @ 500mg ew..it'll make feel like a new man n your woman will think she has one too lol.
     
    Have some Nolva on hand incase of any sides n run it for pct @
    60mg day 1
    40mg next 10 days
    20mg next 10 days
     
    You should grow like a weed on this, experience few sides n keep a lot of your gains.
     
    What ever you decide best of luck with your goals. 
     

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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 19:26:55 (permalink)
    I'm 44 too(never used anything). You're going to age no matter what mate.
    I'd suggest keeping your sessions short but intense. Imo you gotta do more than 3 days a week at our age unless you're training everything but again I've found shorter more frequent sessions more beneficial. Compound exercises forget the bicep curls lol. Then just look at diet and sleep and overall rest between workouts.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 19:29:30 (permalink)
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    Hello Everyone, im new here. Started training at 14, now im the grand old age of 44. Trained like an idiot at first (as most of us do), wasted many years training wrong, bad form, diet etc etc etc. I eventually got my act together in my late twenties (not a fast learner, it seems). Anyway, since my late thirties, gains seem to be a distant memory. I train my ass off 3 days a week (but dont over train), diets bang on, sleep, fitness etc etc. I took steroids in my early twenties for a short while but these days i take a lot of pride in still being able to train heavy without them, although strength gains seem to be a thing of the past. Now to the point, its getting a bit frustrating, not one to just think "sod it, il train like an old git from now on". A friend of mine, with a similar way of thinking is suggesting we go back to the dark side. With Testosterone heading down hill, i was wondering if some of the more experienced folk have any advice. My mate wants to hit the Nap50/or/Dianabol. I cant say im not tempted, its a pisser getting older. Any advice welcome.
     
    Regards, Sean.




     
    My training history is almost exactly the same as yours, as is my age.  I've been tempted to 'go back on' just like yourself, but what's the point? After all these years of training I have realised the only way to keep your gains from gear is to either constantly cycle on and off or to stay on.  Anyone who says you keep you gains after a cycle  is either back on 6 weeks later or using a shot a week of test as a bridge. Show me someone who has been off completely for about 3 or 4 months and I'll show you someone who has lost all their cycle gains. That's what over 30 years of training has taught me.  If your natural test levels didn't achieve those gains before a cycle they certainly one keep them after it.  Plus at our age there is the health risk. We should be at that age where we realise we won't live forever, so why take unnecessary risks?  I don't know about you but now in my mid 40's all I hear about is people I grew up with dropping dead or having serious health problems.
     
    We are all big and ugly enough to make up our own minds.. I hope whatever choice you make is the correct one for you.  
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 21:12:42 (permalink)
    Cheers for all the advice guys, very much appreciate you taking the time. It seems i need to think things over, maybe get my ass down to the GP to start with. Coincidentally, Sustanon was what we used back in the day. Oxy/Dbol, it seems, is not the way to go.
    I train 3 days a week for an hour and an half, sometimes four. All depends on how i feel on a tuesday after mondays deadlifts, if im ok, il do a tuesday. I do train around compound lifts, Deadlifts/pull ups/ few bicep curls....Flat dumbell bench press/radar chest pull(lol)/bit on triceps.......squat/calves/row.  Swap and change a bit,  20mins run on 2 of the days.  I dont do loads of variation, just keep it simple. Ive read at this age i should do more cardio, but i loose muscle, even when the diets right, just one of those types, i guess.
    Time to do a bit of thinking:)
     
    Cheers all, Sean.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 21:17:59 (permalink)
    I do f all cardio. Just watch the carbs.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 21:52:44 (permalink)
    As Whitesnake on this. There is no need to increase cardio unless you have problems controlling carb intake.
     
     

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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 22:17:55 (permalink)
    Its a fine balance for me, seems i struggle on a low carb diet. I do a lot of lifting at work as well you see, so If i cut down too much on carbs (good carbs), i get dizzy, then cant lift jack in the gym. I eat what i need to enable me to train ok, the running is just to keep fit, helps stops me feeling sluggish. I suppose i could concentrate more on the weights for a while, less running, then cut down on the carbs a little more.
     
    Cheers, Sean.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 22:34:51 (permalink)
    I wouldn't reduce carbs to the extent that if affects your training.
    My point was that you said that you felt you should be doing more cardio due to your age.
    If this something that you have just read then it probably doesn't apply to you as your do an active job, whereas the majority of people, particularly in their forties and older have very sedentary jobs.  
    After all its all extra wear and tear on your joints.
     
    I mainly do low intensity cardio, walking, to keep the lard under control. I only do HIIT when cutting, not that I do that very often. Just for the Summer.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/20 22:38:15 (permalink)
    If you do choose to run a cycle of AAS then you will find that it a lot easier to control fat gain.
    Although this not the sole reason to do so.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/21 17:15:37 (permalink)
    It seems ive got into an habit with the cardio, im going to give it a miss for a while, see how it goes. Il have a re-think in January. Ive past the information onto my friend about the tablets, appreciate all your assistance.
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/21 19:17:01 (permalink)
    Your not too old mate, in my gym some chaps are in there 50's theres even two or three in 60's, try having your bloods done before turning to the darkside, if you do try sustanon for your first cycle.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/21 20:12:15 (permalink)
    SeanR
    Its a fine balance for me, seems i struggle on a low carb diet. I do a lot of lifting at work as well you see, so If i cut down too much on carbs (good carbs), i get dizzy, then cant lift jack in the gym. I eat what i need to enable me to train ok, the running is just to keep fit, helps stops me feeling sluggish. I suppose i could concentrate more on the weights for a while, less running, then cut down on the carbs a little more.
     
    Cheers, Sean.


    Just tweak the carbs a little rather than go low carbs esp as you have an active job. There's definitely a fine balance between watching the carbs and diminishing returns in the gym (and the mirror). Like dumbat I watch the joints too. Bike or swimming is the cardio I do.
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/25 16:39:27 (permalink)
    Gary - no need to give you private email, any advice can be answered here
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/29 16:12:55 (permalink)
    Like you i have trained like a mad man and with age enthusiasm etc is hard to maintain.
     
    IMHO i would do a cycle - low dosage and with a test base (something like 250mg EW) with maybe dbol for the first 3 weeks. It will certain get you motivated. Now if you are not up for injecting (many are not at first but i would advise) then (will get flamed for this but always worked for me) try a dbol only for 4 weeks - will give you enthusiasm, make you focus and the strength increases will get your motivation back and you will then look at a test base cycle.
     
    Alternatively look at Var only and maybe some ephedrine to assist training as well.
     
    Do some research mate (that alone will get you thinking and ready for the gym)
     
    All in all i found mixing it up (try different training - even 1 body part a day helped me) and sometimes uick 30 min intensive training was another one that helpes
     
    Welcome to MT by the way
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/29 16:32:15 (permalink)
    Wrongun
     (will get flamed for this but always worked for me) try a dbol only for 4 weeks 

     
    No flaming here mate...that was my first ever cycle 20 odd years ago, loved it, kept a lot of my gains even in the days of no pct....the start of my AAS journey 

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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/29 16:37:13 (permalink)
    i'm 42 mate and train with a 62 year old who frankly has the body most folk  in their mid twenties would kill for
     
    a nice wee 30mg ed dbol cycle over 6 weeks would gain you - or rather would gain me, about a stone after pct i'd likely keep about 10lb of muscle
     
    oxy's however would most likely give me more water bloat and gyno than i'd want so out the two i'd do dbol.
     
    you should maybe look into a 500mg ew test only injectable cycle - you'll gain more off that than the dbol, it's less liver toxic and unlike dbol you're doing 1 or 2 injections per week rather than having to take tabs 3 times a day spread out to keep a consistent drug level.
     
    whatever you decide mate, i do not for one second think you'll regret the decision. a 6 week dbol cycle or even as above a 4 week cycle will give you a taste of what is to come, it'll motivate you, focus you and make you feel years younger - you will never look back
     
    stick around, read some posts, do some research and ask questions but regardless of what route you pick, you'll love it!
     
    btw - personally i tend to do test, masterone and tren injectable cycles to keep body fat down while gaining muscle. in time you'll learn which drugs suit your needs best and you'll be able to transform yourself in a matter of a couple of months - interesting times lay ahead man, i'm actually pretty excited for you!
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/29 16:38:08 (permalink)
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     (will get flamed for this but always worked for me) try a dbol only for 4 weeks 

     
    No flaming here mate...that was my first ever cycle 20 odd years ago, loved it, kept a lot of my gains even in the days of no pct....the start of my AAS journey 




    same here and with no pct i think i kept all but 1lb! didnt' get away with it the second time tho and crashed monumentally!
     
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    Re: A mid-life training crisis maybe? 2014/11/29 16:58:59 (permalink)
    Is it 'safe' to run d-bol for more than 6 weeks, maybe up to 8 weeks?
     
     
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