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AAS & mental health - your experiences / views

Hi guys,
 
I've started this topic because i think its something that is covered occasionally but not enough sometimes and i've also got a few issues myself which i think it would help me personally to hear some of your views on it.
 
Aside from the obvious media bollocks when it comes to AAS use, i.e. you becoming an uncontrollable psycho from the "roid rage", starting fights etc etc, do you think that AAS can have an effect on someones mental state / health? I'm talking long or short term here.
 
The reason i ask is theres been one thing recently which got me thinking, but also from past experience. Firstly, i was in contact last week with a guy who used to be quite a reliable source for any AAS i needed in the past (who was also a friend of mine, ex work colleague) - i asked him if he could get any oral turinabol, and all he replied with was "dont do that anymore mate"... "are they for you" he asked... to which i replied "yes", and all he had to say was "don't bother mate, you've got a good body, they mess with your mind as well as your body - take it from my personal experience"...  I found this quite shocking, as only 12 months ago this guy was offering advice on them etc, and i knew he could always get hold of most stuff.
 
The second reason i have is from a personal experience just over 12months ago for me during a Dbol cycle. Around 4 weeks in i woke during the night to by far the worst panic attack i've ever had. For the last 12 months since i have suffered with anxiety, and can literally at any point bring myself to a panic attack if i so wished but have learnt to keep it under control - its usually triggered by thinking too deeply about my feelings when one comes on and so i try to occupy my mind which helps. From one point its good knowing i can now keep this under control - but it was such a scary experience at the time (literally the worst experience ive ever had) that its kind of left me "shook up" afterwards so to speak. I know in time this will probably get better and better - and luckily it hasn't affected me in my personal life too much as i've been really successful in my career the last year and find the fact that i work 6 days a week - whilst tiring - again helps keep me occupied. Back to the point - 12 months ago i was also going through a hell of a stressful time - i had literally been deeply unhappy in a relationship for the 6 months prior to that and had just split up, and also had my mum & dad of 42 years together split up which shook the whole family. So this obviously had a part to play - but my question is, do you think the dbol triggered it? Could it have been a coincidence, or was the fact that my hormones were being played with a factor?
 
Do you think AAS could trigger any kind of mental conditions? I.e anxiety which prior to this i never had a problem with - or do you think its more than likely the personal circumstances i was in at the time? I've only had 1 big panic attack prior to the one 12 months ago and this was when i wasn't using any AAS at all - so i know it can happen without them.
 
The reason i ask about all this is i am the type of person who kind of feels reassured hearing other peoples views - and experiences - regarding these things. I have 2 fresh tubs of dbol here for example, but i have a mental block now about going near them because of a connection in my brain i now have between AAS and the possibility of a panic attack - the last thing i want is something like that again even though i've (touch wood) successfully kept it under control the last 12 months.
 
I am looking to run another AAS course in the next few months but was going to go for something a lot milder this time - partly because of my experiences last time. Funnily enough, until that panic attack, i literally had no side effects from the dbol at all - it was going perfectly, so to speak, even my recovery was ok as once i had the panic attack i stopped the cycle immediately.
 
Apologies for the massive post, but i think this should bring about some decent views - and thanks to anyone who takes their time to read this.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/02 20:51:44 (permalink)
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    Hi guys,

    I've started this topic because i think its something that is covered occasionally but not enough sometimes and i've also got a few issues myself which i think it would help me personally to hear some of your views on it.

    Aside from the obvious media bollocks when it comes to AAS use, i.e. you becoming an uncontrollable psycho from the "roid rage", starting fights etc etc, do you think that AAS can have an effect on someones mental state / health? I'm talking long or short term here.

    The reason i ask is theres been one thing recently which got me thinking, but also from past experience. Firstly, i was in contact last week with a guy who used to be quite a reliable source for any AAS i needed in the past (who was also a friend of mine, ex work colleague) - i asked him if he could get any oral turinabol, and all he replied with was "dont do that anymore mate"... "are they for you" he asked... to which i replied "yes", and all he had to say was "don't bother mate, you've got a good body, they mess with your mind as well as your body - take it from my personal experience"...  I found this quite shocking, as only 12 months ago this guy was offering advice on them etc, and i knew he could always get hold of most stuff.

    The second reason i have is from a personal experience just over 12months ago for me during a Dbol cycle. Around 4 weeks in i woke during the night to by far the worst panic attack i've ever had. For the last 12 months since i have suffered with anxiety, and can literally at any point bring myself to a panic attack if i so wished but have learnt to keep it under control - its usually triggered by thinking too deeply about my feelings when one comes on and so i try to occupy my mind which helps. From one point its good knowing i can now keep this under control - but it was such a scary experience at the time (literally the worst experience ive ever had) that its kind of left me "shook up" afterwards so to speak. I know in time this will probably get better and better - and luckily it hasn't affected me in my personal life too much as i've been really successful in my career the last year and find the fact that i work 6 days a week - whilst tiring - again helps keep me occupied. Back to the point - 12 months ago i was also going through a hell of a stressful time - i had literally been deeply unhappy in a relationship for the 6 months prior to that and had just split up, and also had my mum & dad of 42 years together split up which shook the whole family. So this obviously had a part to play - but my question is, do you think the dbol triggered it? Could it have been a coincidence, or was the fact that my hormones were being played with a factor?

    Do you think AAS could trigger any kind of mental conditions? I.e anxiety which prior to this i never had a problem with - or do you think its more than likely the personal circumstances i was in at the time? I've only had 1 big panic attack prior to the one 12 months ago and this was when i wasn't using any AAS at all - so i know it can happen without them.

    The reason i ask about all this is i am the type of person who kind of feels reassured hearing other peoples views - and experiences - regarding these things. I have 2 fresh tubs of dbol here for example, but i have a mental block now about going near them because of a connection in my brain i now have between AAS and the possibility of a panic attack - the last thing i want is something like that again even though i've (touch wood) successfully kept it under control the last 12 months.

    I am looking to run another AAS course in the next few months but was going to go for something a lot milder this time - partly because of my experiences last time. Funnily enough, until that panic attack, i literally had no side effects from the dbol at all - it was going perfectly, so to speak, even my recovery was ok as once i had the panic attack i stopped the cycle immediately.

    Apologies for the massive post, but i think this should bring about some decent views - and thanks to anyone who takes their time to read this.


    A good post, but the reason that you've posted the above leads me to belive aas are not
    for you,if you artificaly change your hormone levels then this can have an effect on you mentally tbh.
    If you have anxiety issues then a change in your hormone level's could adversely affect you,
    think females and the time of the month!.
    Your call, but just beware, we've all seen people get punchy on 6 pints of Stella who are
    normally sound,no?.
     
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/02 21:18:01 (permalink)
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    fully appreciate and understand your view mate, i've also thought this myself - the reason i said the above is because i wanted people to know if they think the dbol was to blame (even in part) or if it was inevitable anyway due to personal circumstances. Sometimes i'm my own worst enemy - i don't want this to sound arrogant or come out wrong but i'm not a thick person - so i often over think things far too much, i researched for months and months before i ever touched AAS which i suppose wasn't a bad thing.
     
    the funny thing is i can take any other supps and be absolutely fine - i've tried every test booster under the sun including some of the so called "stronger" ones and they never seem to bother me - i think its a mental thing in the fact that i think even though these can and are designed to affect hormones i tell myself its doing it in a more "natural" way so to speak and therefore have never had a problem. I've ran JW, BAM, cissus-drol, mass-fx etc etc and never had the slightest problems in the last 12 months. The only things i dont respond well to are things with a lot of caffiene in - they make me very jittery.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/02 23:36:50 (permalink)
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    Natty test boosters really don't come close to AAS. We're talking about a substantial increase in hormone production which will undeniably have an impact on your mental/emotional processes. If you're already in circumstances where you're mentally/emotional strained then the effect of AAS could certainly be enough to push you beyond your own tipping point. Only you can make the call whether it's worth the risk but you seem like a pretty intelligent dude who isn't exactly new to training. I'd say it's worth getting your head in a better place before you go back to AAS. At least then you can objectively understand and appreciate the impact they have on your mental well-being.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/02 23:51:24 (permalink)
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    my uncle was on gear for probably 3 years without a break. 4 injections a day, 10 to 20 dianabol. he got seriously massive, 24 inch biceps i think, 22-24 stone. now hes 39 and has serious health problems, mostly mental, he is now bi polar. hes attepmted suicide. he hits his fionce. cant train anymore because he gets chest pains. He is the deffinition of steroid abuse!

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/02 23:55:31 (permalink)
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    That's a sad story, but as you mentioned - that's abuse, not use.

    You couldnt do many things in life that long and to that degree without suffering serious problems, nevermind AAS use.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/03 01:08:10 (permalink)
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    In my experience, I noticed mental sides from taking tren. It made me more confrontational, very untrusting of others, and acted quite out of character. But this was more of a temporary experience I had never felt before. Deca, on the other hand, seemed to keep me more positive. Maybe it was just a good time in my life, or it was the deca, I don't specifically remember.
     
    It could be how your body reacted to the med.  In my opinion, stay away from dbol because maybe you just don't get on well with it.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/03 12:37:30 (permalink)
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    I think what Alext has said is something that is rarely talked about, it’s a subject that should be more available, maybe a sticky on mental health issuers and long term effects of AAS there is loads of information on everything else.
    I’m sure it is a more common thing for a lot of people out there that don’t say a word about it as long as you look good and big down the gym or when your out on the town with your mates. It’s something to think of in the future, let’s face messing around with Mother Nature has to come at a price sooner or later and changing you normal or natural hormones is bound to affect you.
    I think that the use of AAS has defiantly had an effect on my mental health, I won’t go into detail but I have changed that’s for sure.
    I think what is said here by Lightweight_newbie is more common than you think.
     
    Alex I reckon you need to get you self mentally stable and prepared before you take AAS, and then if you do just keep it in the back of your mind that they can have negative side effects. Is your goal really worth the risk for you personally?
    Good luck Traps 
     
    post edited by Trapman - 2011/04/03 12:38:44

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/04/03 12:49:47 (permalink)
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    Arealy good post, i think the reaction to meds is user dependant and as SR says maybe AAS are not for the op but with tren i am getting no sides except hot sometimes at night and 1or 2 vivid dreams.So we are all different and if you are not in the best state of mind maybe not doing anything that changes your hormone ballence is a wise decision.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/14 19:13:42 (permalink)
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    Bump for more reply's, if there is any ;-)....

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/14 19:47:18 (permalink)
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    Yes this is an interesting subject I agree. It's not a highly researched area, but the majority of studies which have used higher doses of steroids have shown that some people (not all, but some) are prone to mood change such as increases in feelings of aggression or mania from androgen use. There have been some quite lengthy discussions here about this a few years back I recall, if anyone wanted to search under my username and the word "rage", there are 5 or 6 studies in particular that are worth reading regarding mood change IMO
     
    Personally I only really notice mood change when using the 19-nor steroids, the progestins. They tend to make me noticeably short tempered, which is quite unlike the bog-standard me, normally I am calm almost to the point of coma lol. I don't get the same thing from testosterone though for example
     
    I think it's certainly a possibility that feelings of anxiety could be triggered or made worse by certain steroids. I would guess that, like feelings of aggression, there's quite a lot of variation in how different people respond
     
    It's really an area that needs more research, especially into the more esoteric steroids as we know different steroids have different effects on things like thyroid hormone production which we know can have an effect on mood in turn, and on and on it goes
     
    If the OP wanted my guess I'd say it was possible that his steroid use made his panic attacks worse
     
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/14 19:50:51 (permalink)
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    I think is the most significant side there is. Here is another thread and some study i did into the subject you may find useful
     
    http://www.muscletalk.co....bt+wrongun&mpage=2
     
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/16 16:51:15 (permalink)
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    Thanks to Drab4 and Wrongun for the info i will have a look back and try to find the old posts, Cheers Traps

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/16 17:09:34 (permalink)
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    It is obvious that any medication will have serious side effects if abused just like in your uncles case. I have been using gear for 10 years with no problems, but I still take my cycles as seriously as I took my first cycle! Keep your doses lower than advertised on majority of the boards, especially beginner cycles! receptors are still clean and there is no need to be stacking 2 or 3 or more compounds! Take PCT even more seriously than your cycle and your hormone levels will not affect your mental state. Generally if you are a healthy (Both mentally and physically)when you start medicating and you do all of the above, you will not even experience roid rage or feel any mental effects. I speak for myself and 10 years of use and I speak of my friends that have followed the same practice. Pretty much what I am trying to say is that if steroids are not abused and if pct is taken seriously and if you are a healthy calm individual to begin with than roid rage is total myth!
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/16 20:42:27 (permalink)
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    Good post mate - great sig too!!
     
    There is a member called Phaeton over on...
    http://www.ugm.org.uk/
     
    I think he has a dedicated site for this kind of thing, he's also a mate of mine and will give you some really sound advice on the subject.
     
    I take massive downers when on PCT, i'm just coming out of a long cycle with a view to never doing AAS again because of how it mentally affects me when i come off. Sometimes you have to take the desicions that are best for the long term.
     
    Good luck mate.
     
     

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/18 13:01:22 (permalink)
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    Excellent link from Wrongun.
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/18 14:25:44 (permalink)
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    spencerslide

    Good post mate - great sig too!!

    There is a member called Phaeton over on...
    http://www.ugm.org.uk/

    I think he has a dedicated site for this kind of thing, he's also a mate of mine and will give you some really sound advice on the subject.

    I take massive downers when on PCT, i'm just coming out of a long cycle with a view to never doing AAS again because of how it mentally affects me when i come off. Sometimes you have to take the desicions that are best for the long term.

    Good luck mate.



     
    I only done a 500mg a week test-e cycle and during pct and for a good few weeks i never wanted to look at steroids again but now im a few months down teh line im going to do a t-bol cycle to see how i react to that as ive heard its a milder steroid.  Spencer , i know your saying it now that you dont want to take gear again but give it a good few months off and youll be raring to go again.

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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/18 15:04:48 (permalink)
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    I think its all dependant on the individual. I've taken 10+ course over 6 years and not had any issues.
    I do however have a few friends who I've seen it affect, mainly with temper and some have bad paranoia while on cycle
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    Re:AAS & mental health - your experiences / views 2011/05/18 15:13:33 (permalink)
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    I think so yes, i never had anxiety or anything before i ran a SDROL cycle, im sure all the crap from my past would have come out eventually and the SDROL was just a kicker.
     
    I still suffer from anxiety now, a year later, and i can bring it on out of nothing also. Its taken a long fecking time to get it under control!
     
    I didnt abuse anything, i just dont think my mental state was suited to AAS. I wont use them again either!
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