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2011/03/13 11:40:08 (permalink)

AKIDO ANYONE????

does anyone do akido? i want try it as i like the wrist lockes etc i would benifit with it added to my grapling when standing. what is it all about? and have you got to wear them huge pants! lol

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 11:46:34 (permalink)
    I have always been interested in Akido but never practised it.

    The great Steven Segal is the world master of the art.

    Very clever indeed. 

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 11:48:38 (permalink)
    yeh i didnt realise he was a real copper aswell, hes a 5th dan or sumit at it, hes trainied pro ufc fighters av seen on youtube him training anderson silva n seagal hitn hi in certain place, 1 hit n its fukn him up lol he good like, a think his films let him down cos ppl think hes all an act but hes not

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 11:51:06 (permalink)
    LOL - Yeah he is the real deal, that's for sure! I wouldn't like to fight him and I'm pretty good at kickboxing. He would tie most fighters in knots within seconds.

    Many great videos on Youtube of him, one in particular where he fends of 20 men with ease it's madness lol


    Another great martial art, also very technical and clever is Kung Fu, Wing Chun style. 
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:00:59 (permalink)
    Firetrap

    I have always been interested in Akido but never practised it.

    The great Steven Segal is the world master of the art.

    Very clever indeed. 


    Lol Not quite (no, really).
     
    I've practised Aikido for a number of years since my early teens. Didn't grade any higher than first dan but moved on to other arts where I still employ much of my aikido training.
     
    It's not the ultimate art by any means, but then again after 30 years of training in numerous arts I've yet to encouter the ultimate art.
     
    The wrist looks, my honest opinion, as taught in an aikido class with a compliant opponent, you'll find it difficult to translate these locks into real life combat situations (or indeed mma training). Then again practical experince has taught me that joint locks of any kind are rathe rimpractical for real combat, joint destructions and dislocations being far more reliable (but then I doubt youll get far in mma with that attitude lol).
     
    Where I believe you'll find the greatest benefit, for stand up grappling in particular is with the footwork and body movement training (tai sabaki) which comes in handy, particular against aggresive opponents. You may get a lock or a throw in, however that would also mean offering your opponent a point of attachment and if he turns out to be a better grappler than you - good night.
     
    But yes, an enjoyable art, forget what you see in the movies and in choosing a club, try looking for one that involves some realism in it's training, rather than base everything around compliant components going along with your technique (which sets you up for a fall later on down the line when you come to try to apply what you've learned - literally).
     
    Good luck and enjoy.
     
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:10:44 (permalink)
    Firetrap

    Many great videos on Youtube of him, one in particular where he fends of 20 men with ease it's madness lol

     
    When I trained with him a number of years ago (yikes, too many years ago, I'm getting old!!), he struggled to keep pace with my then instructor, a man twice his age.
     
    Don't beleive the hype - or youtube.
     
    That said I always enjoyed Steven's movies, certain things he's done in his personal live are rather questionable however, particulalr for someone that claims to follow the high moral teachings of aikido and other religions.
     
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:12:26 (permalink)
    Hehe, Like i said, been interested but never studied it in any great detail

    Still wouldn't f**k with him lol

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:22:42 (permalink)
    Bruce Lee was the man 



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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:25:02 (permalink)
     Seagal's movies used to be good but any I've seen lately he has totally disappeared up his own a**e. A fat as f**k 60 year old still being portrayed to pull 25 year old girls and doing backflips etc. Who's he kidding lol.

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:28:16 (permalink)
    I worked with Steven Segal on a movie and he used to wear a girdle all the time to hold the fat gut in, had difficulty getting out of a chair because it was so tight!! 

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:31:00 (permalink)
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     Seagal's movies used to be good but any I've seen lately he has totally disappeared up his own a**e. A fat as f**k 60 year old still being portrayed to pull 25 year old girls and doing backflips etc. Who's he kidding lol.


    yeah I have to agree with this, most of his films sucked imo, most are apart gun shootouts with a few wristlocks
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:32:05 (permalink)
    To the OP, have you looked into Hapkido at all? Similiar to Aikido but involves punches/kicks as well as locks, its what I'd chose overall if I had time to do it
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:38:19 (permalink)
    Osagi 100% spot on the ability to blend so well is the beauty of Akido for me.

    Segal rep fell apart when a 60/70 odd year old man handed his arse to him on a palte,Bruce Lee's good mate Judo Gene lebell

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:40:56 (permalink)
    Hapkido is ok but the strikes are the same as TKD so pretty sh1tty tbh

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:43:27 (permalink)
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    To the OP, have you looked into Hapkido at all? Similiar to Aikido but involves punches/kicks as well as locks, its what I'd chose overall if I had time to do it


    Or traditional / Japanese Ju-jitsu for that matter.
     
    For 'stand up grappling' Judo wins the day for me. The aim of stand up grappling not being to grapple, but to put the opponent on the floor whist you remain standing.
     
    As for joint locks, I could show you dozens (for the most part slight variations on a theme based around the movement and mechanical weaknesses of the wrist and elbow joint), however it's unlikely I could employ many if any of these locks in an actual fight. I could however quickly cause structural damage to your elbow or shoulder joint employing the same mechanics, which is a little more reliable. In that regard I tend to see locks as a training tool, rather than a means to an end themselves.
     
    They also tend to keep beginners occupied and coming along to class.
     
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:48:34 (permalink)
    My dad studied it for years and was a black belt (don't remember which Dan) but put me into Judo instead. Said it would be more fun and useful. I agree.

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:53:13 (permalink)
    Actually I should say, Aikido is a truely beautiful martial art, both in it's teachings and in it's intent.

    The unfortunate reality however is that the teachings of Aikido don't quite manage to keep pace with today's violent society. I'm aware of a number of people who make Aikido work for them, however if you observed these individuals you'd see that they and their training has stepped away somewhat from the traditional teachings.

    My personal attitude today being, unless it has some direct application, I'm not interested in learning a technique or principle. Reality is what it's come down to for me, however I do look back on my Aikido years with some fondness.

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:54:15 (permalink)
    It's a good art, but takes a long while to become proficient at it, very useful in real fight situations. Did it for a few years.
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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:56:14 (permalink)
    As Osagi states the application of locks in reality is not really going to happen,not as employed a single technique.

    The only time i have found them useful is security or door work when you have already subdued someone and need to remove them,used to prevent them using their bodys to do anything to you,rather than to immobilise them,even then you need to move from one application to another swiftly and employ nerve/pressure points to assist.

    In Kapap systema styles were they use a lock only to place the opponents body in a position that suits you for another move,doen swiftly and as part of a sequence of fast natural unplanned moves.

    The use of the hips in Aikido may help as someone closes the gap(recall that term Osagi its all shooting now but it was closing the gap in the day)And lays hands on you to grapple the hip drive and movement would work brill then but years of effort to master a simple move that youd employ one one in a thousand times 

    Id say do some Kapap/Systema to bridge the gap between striking an grappling

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    Re:AKIDO ANYONE???? 2011/03/13 12:59:56 (permalink)
    their training has stepped away somewhat from the traditional teachings
    Agreed a lot seem to go Aikido>atemi jitsu>tai jitsu>then on to the modern RBS STUFF 

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