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2011/04/07 11:41:07 (permalink)
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APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS???

As i understand it all herbal products sold will have new regulations to comply with.
The E U have said that products sold have to be made to a specific safety and quality standard and a statement will be on the product packaging saying what it does.
So just where does the the likes of herbal combinations to reduce estrogen , increase free testosterone- boost testosterone, for example,  fit in to the picture .The European Herbal AND Traditional Medicine Practioners Assoc says that herbs will have to pass rigorous criteria to enable medicinal claims to be made.
 
However have American products slipped beneath the radar?
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    The Guvnor
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/11 17:30:33 (permalink)
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    Just bumping this for you.
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/11 20:46:38 (permalink)
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    when i was talking to someone about this a while ago, they told me that if they remove all claims of what the product can do from the packaging/marketing etc, and just sell it 'as is'  then it can still be sold as there are no claims being made and therefore nothing to 'prove'
     
    dont know how accurate that is
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/11 21:45:04 (permalink)
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    ^^^^
    That is incorrect.

    The products need to be licenced, which is hugely expensive!


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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/11 22:42:02 (permalink)
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    I agree with dazc here - both Holland and Barratt and GNC have said the exact same thing when I have asked them instore. The licensing is only required if the claims of winder and awe are kept on the packaging.

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/11 22:56:51 (permalink)
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    I think it may be more complex than that - not entirely sure what they have to do but I know one large american brand is going to make their tribulus 'compliant' ... but this isn't expected to actually become legal to sell to retailers until at least September
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 08:48:45 (permalink)
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    MrBurn

    I agree with dazc here - both Holland and Barratt and GNC have said the exact same thing when I have asked them instore. The licensing is only required if the claims of winder and awe are kept on the packaging.


    Again, this is incorrect.
     
    Our products have zero claims on, our website states nothing about potential benefits, just what the herbs are but they still have to be licensed.

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 12:43:43 (permalink)
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    The process for registration or making a product compliant is not an easy, inexpensive nor a short one. To the best of my knowledge from start of process to decision is likely to be in excess of 1 year.
     
    There is confusion as to what products may or may not be affected.
     
    As with all new regulations there will be a period of confusion and also a period where the kinks so to speak are ironed out.
     
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 12:49:45 (permalink)
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    The Graduate - then you need to tell GNC and H&B head office then, as they are not licensing anything as far as they have told me.

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 12:59:02 (permalink)
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    MrBurn

    The Graduate - then you need to tell GNC and H&B head office then, as they are not licensing anything as far as they have told me.


    thats not corrrect as far as H and B  goes , in fact some products already have a product licence,
     
    next time you go in look for p/l followed by a number on the label , from memory some of their products in  small boxes have this on
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 13:14:43 (permalink)
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    I'm only going by what their staff tell me to be honest. In that case I stand corrected.

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 13:34:21 (permalink)
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    MrBurn

    I'm only going by what their staff tell me to be honest. In that case I stand corrected.


    i think its going to be a learning process for both staff and customers, Product licences are expensive and i have no doubt that the consumer will pay for this process reflected in higher prices for products.
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 13:39:46 (permalink)
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    If it helped clean up some of OTT bogus claims of some supplement products/companies then it would be a good thing.
     
    Probably doesn't work that does it??

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 14:03:35 (permalink)
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    I am more confused as now I don't understand what is going on!

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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/12 15:14:43 (permalink)
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    I will try to clarify the situation:

    Everyone that works for the EU parliament (MEP's and "experts") are corrupt morons that are owned by the pharmaceutical industry.

    Their masters (the Pharma industry) are worried that people may find cost effective, natural alternatives to there outrageously overpriced and quite often dangerous drugs...

    Thus they then comand there moronic minions (MEP's and "experts") to come up with ways to stop us sheep from exercising self help by making it near impossible or just too expensive to buy our "natural" products...

    That's about it... It's called having the politicians in your pocket, and as they are all too stupid to make it in life on their own intelligence it's the only way they can succeed.
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/13 12:50:52 (permalink)
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    RobW

    I will try to clarify the situation:

    Everyone that works for the EU parliament (MEP's and "experts") are corrupt morons that are owned by the pharmaceutical industry.

    Their masters (the Pharma industry) are worried that people may find cost effective, natural alternatives to there outrageously overpriced and quite often dangerous drugs...

    Thus they then comand there moronic minions (MEP's and "experts") to come up with ways to stop us sheep from exercising self help by making it near impossible or just too expensive to buy our "natural" products...

    That's about it... It's called having the politicians in your pocket, and as they are all too stupid to make it in life on their own intelligence it's the only way they can succeed.


    thats a very sweeping statement and unless you have evidence to back that up , i carnt support it
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/19 20:46:40 (permalink)
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    That statement from Bobw is very true, the pharma companies have a hold over the political world and they are very powerful.
    Check out a guy called Dr.Mercola and spend sometime on his website to see how corrupt the pharma industry is and how they can make countries/governments do what they want.
     
    Take swine flu for example(if you do the research you will find this out) i will just summarise it:
    -Swine fule case detected
    -new vaccine made in US, Ithink by gsk(been a while since i read this stuff)
    -US World health organisation has this thing where if they rate a disease or illness as a pandemic at a certain level it automatically means that every country has to buy the vaccines.
    -WHO makes swine flu a pandemic
    -WHO also tells docs to stop testing people for swine flu to assume its swine flu straight away, WHY??..... becasue it is beleived that the majority of people only had the seasonal flu and the swine flu strand was actually weaker.
    -Vaccines are shipped to canada and europe and the pharma companies are rich, again.
    thats a summary and i might not have got it 100% right but you can correct me if you re-do the research.
     
    Thats an example of pharma having a hold over governments.

       
       
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/19 20:51:50 (permalink)
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    HPV vaccine is another. that has been forced on countries, there are over 1000 types of hpv, and the vaccine only protects you against 7, those 7 are the rarest type of hpv. the vaccine that was given out in the irst round has been linked to cancer in children in the US and is beleived to make you more prone to contracting the more common forms of hpv. Big pharma say this as an opportunity to make money becasue of the cervical cancer increase.
    The thing that makes me laugh is they are doing all this in front of peoples eyes and becasue a doctor says its needed people take the docs word for it.
     

       
       
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/04/20 04:05:52 (permalink)
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    This is all true... Another example is here in Finland the Finnish Medicines Agency is making Glucosamine a drug.. For those that don't know Glucosamine come from ground up crustation shells do it does not get much more natural than that...

    But yes they are making it s drug do that you can't buy it from health food stores, ONLY from pharmacies for 5x the price!!! And guess what the pharmacies are part govt owned in Finland ;)
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    Re:APRIL 30-END OF THE ROAD FOR AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS??? 2011/05/07 20:50:56 (permalink)
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    Hello guys this is horrendous,
     
    Im an acupuncurist ,have access to a chinese herb wholesaler.They have had to take hundreds of "Formula" Tablets of the shelves.
    I can still buy concentrated powders BUT they now cant capsulate them for me,how mad is that? One day all we will be able to buy is asprin.Its very sad and seious.
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