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2004/03/11 12:45:00 (permalink)
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About to start insulin, what doesage?

I'm about to start a course of insulin and I'm getting ranging advice in what amounts to start with. Some say 2IU some say 4IU after training. How much is considered normal within the context of using it in conjunction with steroids.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks

Paul.
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    help2001
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/11 15:32:45 (permalink)
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    most people say abou 8 to 10 iu's, where have you been doing your research

    IMO you need to read more before THINKING about slin
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/11 15:44:26 (permalink)
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    That seems quite high to start with. I had a friend who used it and he says' 4 IU's is okay.
    Thanks for the advice.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/11 19:52:08 (permalink)
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    Start from 5 i.u. of Humulin R or Actrapid (not Humalog!) post-workout. Next time add 2 i.u., etc.... as long as you reach 10-15 i.u. Don't forget about carbs and meal before injection.

    Try no more than 20 i.u. after breakfast. It's safer than post-workout use.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/11 19:59:20 (permalink)
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    yes 51.u is too low maybe he menth hgh and unless your doing a long hgh course thats low,, i heard 10 - 15 i.u right after work out and with 60 to 80 grams of simple carbs ex. a post workout shake then have a meal with both simple and complex carbs and always high protein,, use only fact acting insulin such as lilly humulin r,, slower acting ones are much more dangerous because they take longer to work therefore if u dont have enough carbs you might die
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/12 04:18:38 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Basil584

    Start from 5 i.u. of Humulin R or Actrapid (not Humalog!) post-workout. Next time add 2 i.u., etc.... as long as you reach 10-15 i.u. Don't forget about carbs and meal before injection.

    Try no more than 20 i.u. after breakfast. It's safer than post-workout use.



    hi bro,

    why not humalog?
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/12 08:59:15 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    hi bro,
    why not humalog?


    Humalog begin acts after 10 minutes after injection with peak approximately after 1.5 hr. Humulin R or Actrapid acts slower, but longer.
    In fact, after 10-15 i.u. of Humalog I feel strong hypo unlike after Humalog R (or Actrapid). Humalog is not a right drug for insulin begginers, not so safe like Humulin R.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/12 16:17:42 (permalink)
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    The guy is about to try a drug that can kill him and you lot give him advice like that. Shame on you.
    For a first time user 2 iu is all he/she should use first off as they do not know how it will effect them.
    Humalog (lispro) is the ONLY insulin that should be used after training.
    Anything that takes 90 minutes to work is pointless as you have missed the important window of opportunity (60 mins after) when you want to load your body up with carbs/protein.
    Simply do the following:
    Go home from the gym.
    Have a friend with you for the next 2 hours.
    Consume your normal post workout drink if you havent already. Mixed with water of course.
    SC inject 2 ius of humalog. The next training day try 4 ius. The next 6ius. If you tollerate 6 ius ok do not increase again. Wait till the next course. Your sensitivity to insulin is reduced the more you use it. Thats why big guys take over 10 ius. You are not at that stage yet.
    As you are not a diabetic remember that your own body will be producing insulin at about 10 ius. (70 grams glucose TT)
    Wait 20 minutes (optional) Consume a drink of water with 50 grams whey protein, 20 grams maltodextrin, 20 grams glucose, 10 grams creatine. (for 4 ius make it 40 grams malto, 40 grams glucose etc. 10+10 per iu).
    Check body shakes by holding your arms out in front of you and looking at your fingertips. Excessive shakes and sweats consume another 10+10 per iu. Wait till feeling better.
    Send your friend home.
    PM me for further tips and tricks.
    Above all be safe with this stuff. The alternative sucks.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/14 15:27:53 (permalink)
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    y do u need to use 10 g of maltodextrin AND 10 g of glucose?
    Is it not only 10g of carbs per iu?
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/15 09:18:12 (permalink)
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    make sure you have glucagon on hand and let everyone know what you are doing..hypoglyceamia can happen so quickly that it dulls your reactions and you dont realise you have dipped low..meaning you wont be able to treat it..this stuff will kill you if not used right..
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/15 09:46:11 (permalink)
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    Malto and glucose together extend the length of high blood glucose enough to satisfy Humalogs' half life. Just glucose doesnt work long enough for me and I overeat sugar. If your not prone to fat accumulation on insulin I guess any sugar will do if you hypo. This is not a state I like to get in.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/15 18:01:25 (permalink)
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    but y use 10g of glucose AND 10g of malto. per iu , should it not be 5g of each, 10g of carb per iu?
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/16 08:41:04 (permalink)
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    I dont believe that its set in stone like that- 10 grams per iu- for everyone? We're talking after training here also. Id rather encourage a little more as a base rule for beginners on insulin. Err on the side of caution first then find your precise level. Malto hits at the same speed as glucose more or less but lasts longer. Glucose, malto and whey with water p-rovides a structured release. Heck, I know guys who put in a touch of honey, touch of lactose BP., some powdered fructose even oatmeal. If you provide a structured release then you are less likely to overeat later.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 13:16:15 (permalink)
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    Hi

    Where’s the best place to get insulin?
    Walking into a chemist and saying "Hi I'm diabetic can I have some insulin"?
    Or online somewhere?
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 13:26:31 (permalink)
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    lol AT ARKAN
    do some research on the subject first before even thinking ov sourcing slin
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 14:37:50 (permalink)
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    Already have/still am, but wouldn’t it be wise for me to find out about availability & price, as this also plays a big factor in my decision.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 14:56:25 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Arkan

    Already have/still am, but wouldn’t it be wise for me to find out about availability & price, as this also plays a big factor in my decision.



    Marso,

    Take care with insulin. Use 4 i.u after training and work up over a period of time to 10 i.u. Make sure you eat min about 10grams of carbs for every i.u and use Humalog. It is more controllable and you wont go Hypo in your sleep at night. I would actually recommend about 100g of carbs along with your humalog and creatine.

    Humulin s and Actrapid have a 4-6 hr time frame and if you take them at 7:00pm they won't peak until you are in your bed.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 17:10:47 (permalink)
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    I would inject 10IU (preferrably humalog) post-workout intramuscularly. The reason I prefer IM injections is because of the faster onset (once it's in the blood, the profile of plasma insulin levels is no different from sub-Q injections.

    I prefer pre-workout shots, so that the slin peaks as I finish working out (for one hour), but that has the supposed added danger of you going hypo while working out. I have never had problems using this technique.

    A really good alternative, which I haven't used but have heard good things about is injecting half of your dose pre-workout and half post-workout so that you get more of a sustained high with both shots peaking after each other.

    Limit your protein intake to what you would normally use post-workout while on gear (insulin does not stimulate protein synthesis, it only inhibits proteolysis, increases glycogen stores and has a volumising effect). Reduce your carb intake in successive workouts until you just start to go hypo. Your previous carb intake will be the ideal. The first shake should contain fewer carbs than the first (you obviously will not need as much glucose during the onset as during the peak).

    Eat a low GI meal before your workout (oatmeal).
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/03/31 17:18:22 (permalink)
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    This is the protocol I use (successfully):

    I inject 10IU humalog and workout for one hour. During the workout I have a shake containing 5g creatine, 40g whey and 40g dextrose.

    Immediately post workout I drink a shake containing 10g creatine, 50g dextrose, 30g honey (less of a glycaemic spike means less fat gain) and 40g whey.
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    RE: About to start insulin, what doesage? 2004/04/01 01:24:59 (permalink)
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    10IU of ANY of the SHORT ACTING slins is fine for a beginner. Shoot it immediately post workout.

    10IU is about the same amount of insulin you produce after eating one chocolate bar BTW. Or a small meal. It won't kill you unless you are determined not to eat anything at all.
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