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2004/03/03 16:49:19 (permalink)
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Add your myth

Toning and sculpting !!!
1-What the **** is that ƒº you meet people down the gym who, when you try to give them advice on training, say to you, no no no I don¡¦t want to be big, I just want some toning or some sculpting!!!! Tone what if you aint got muscles mate?? You cant tone a muscle in my opinion, you either make it bigger by lifting weights or reduce the fat around it if you have enough body muscles to show. So in my opinion this , toning thing personal trainers promote to take money off fat executives is a scam. There is no toning in my opinion..

2. Spot reduction, god, you see people with big bellies killing themselves doing sit-ups.
3- Upper chest work out vs., lower chest workout,
4 -Upper abdominals vs. lower abdominals work out.
5- High density muscles, something that there are different types of muscles and that according to your work out, high reps for example or according to your diet, you can get better quality and more lasting muscles.. That¡¦s all rubbish IMO.

Cheers guys
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    big pete
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/03 16:58:59 (permalink)
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    1. you can "shape" a muscle using targetted movements, e.g tricep kickbacks to taget the upper portion of the tricep as against skullcrushers for all over mass. they can help carve details too.
    2.spot reductions, nope dont believe in that.
    3. there are 2 major muscles in the pec. so yes, incline bench is superior for upper chest development. the smae way as decline is for lower pec. flat bench hits both, but not as effective as the 2 seperate movements
    4. again, stress points for sit-ups. they target upper abs. leg raises, for bottom abs.
    half-sits work all of them
    5. your body is comprised of differant muscle types, all grow at varying rates depending how they are stimulated. again genetics play a huge part in this. the "density" of the muscle comes with time

    so i dont think its all BS
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/03 19:20:31 (permalink)
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    LOL this post wasnt really very well thought out was it
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    colchester
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 15:13:29 (permalink)
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    big Pete , thanks for your views
    PikeKing , at least you could have said something !!

    These are my views and I stand by them. You can not deform the growth of a muscle except by ripping it apart or hitting it with a heavy object or probably by surgery. The muscle can not be partially trained. It works as a whole or doesn’t work at all. You can not sculpt it or carve it. These are all grand daddy body building myths with all due respect to your views.


    It saves allot of time if you know the facts

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    Cashman
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 16:21:22 (permalink)
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    here we go again...... LOL

    My tuppence worth is that you cannot consciously determine the shape of a muscle other than to reduce bodyfat. Shape is determined by your genetic propensity.
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    Robert
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 16:43:26 (permalink)
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    big pete,

    #1 explain what "shape" and "carving details" mean, fully please.
    #2 your answer to point #3 is total garbage. you can shift the emphasis of the lift more to the delts [incline bench] or less [decline bench] but unless you are not human and don't have the same skeletal musculature as everyone else, you cannot "target" different portions of the same muscle. pectoralis minor and major both tie in at the same places* and in the same way you cannot develop an "inner chest" or work your "outer chest" you cannot isolate the pectoralis minor over the major, and visa-versa. for instance, if i just did incline bench for a year, and no decline/flat bech/dips, my upper chest [pectoralis minor] should, by your logic, be massive, and my lower chest [pectoralis major] be tiny/small in comparison. but, as we all know, it wouldn't.
    *checkout:
    http://www.bodybuild.ot.lt/body/muscles/pectoralis%20major_files/image003.jpg
    and
    http://www.courses.vcu.edu/DANC291-003/shoulder_pecmajor.jpg
    for pictures.

    in short, the whole muscle either hypertropy, or atrophy, you cannot get one out of proportion with the other and thats why cashman is dead right when he says its all down to genetics [shape wise].
    rob
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    Robert
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 16:45:54 (permalink)
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    the biggest myth in weightlifting is the beleif that you know it all. i don't, and know one else does. we are all constantly learning.
    rob
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    Five_Magics
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 17:21:00 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Robert

    the biggest myth in weightlifting is the beleif that you know it all. i don't, and know one else does. we are all constantly learning.
    rob



    Excellent point.
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 17:32:20 (permalink)
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    the day we stop learning, is the day we die
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 19:49:28 (permalink)
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    Can't rememberthe exact saying but.....

    "Clever is he who knows he knows not."
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 20:58:23 (permalink)
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    I think a BB that has lifted only compounds will have a different look than the exact same BB that has done alot of isolations.
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 21:13:27 (permalink)
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    true.
    rob
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/04 21:20:24 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by AUTIGER

    I think a BB that has lifted only compounds will have a different look than the exact same BB that has done alot of isolations.



    I know guys who have done both (from the start), without juicing i hasten to add. From what i can tell, there is not much difference between them. Anyways, i'm training with compounds, going for core strength over larger "looking" muscles.
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 03:03:41 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by AUTIGER

    I think a BB that has lifted only compounds will have a different look than the exact same BB that has done alot of isolations.



    EXACTLY! The compound performer would be BIGGER!
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 13:45:07 (permalink)
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    sorry only just seen topic again.

    robert, youve just answered your first question by admition. from what autiger has just wrote, you agreed with. i dont get it.

    are you saying that chest flies would produce the same results as bench press? as you say, they stress the same points of the muscle in regards to tie-in points?

    and have you felt someones chest when doing decline press? the upper chest can almost be fleshy if done correct. ive pointed this out to many at the gym before
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 13:46:44 (permalink)
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    sorry time doesnt permit a longer answer. will post again v v soon
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 15:10:20 (permalink)
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    THE BEST MYTH.. THAT EVERYONE HAS BOUND TO HAVE HEARD..

    YOU SHOULDNT BODYBUILD BECAUSE YOUR MUSCLE WILL TURN TO FAT WHEN YOU STOP...
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    AUTIGER
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 16:32:11 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by CHTHONIC

    quote:
    Originally posted by AUTIGER

    I think a BB that has lifted only compounds will have a different look than the exact same BB that has done alot of isolations.



    I know guys who have done both (from the start), without juicing i hasten to add. From what i can tell, there is not much difference between them. Anyways, i'm training with compounds, going for core strength over larger "looking" muscles.



    I have done both, and i haven't juiced. I meant that if the only thing they did was compounds or iso's they would look different.
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    Gavin Laird
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 16:34:08 (permalink)
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    Biggest bodybuilding myth?

    Supercompensation theory.

    Cheers,

    Gavin.
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    big pete
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    RE: Add your myth 2004/03/05 16:36:23 (permalink)
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    and i completely agree.
    if someone does squats, there legs will have mass, but they wouldnt have the seperation and detail of a leg that does front squats and leg extensions.
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