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2003/07/24 12:18:59 (permalink)

Advice for my girlfriends cellulite...

Hi everyone.

I'm looking for some female opinions on what my girlfriend can do regarding her cellulite. Searching on the forum reveals she is doing everything right so I thought I would post this for some tailored advice.

When she asked me about it, I said it was fine, but I can see it was bothering her...

Okay she's about 5" 3. about 45kg. Very very slim. I mean if you look at her arms they look painfully thin, she has a great stomach. She eats well lots of veg and salad. Yet she gets unhappy with her rear, which does have some fat on the the bit that connects the leg and bottom on both sides. You cannot see this when she wears clothes, but she is aware of it and getting a bit angry with it.

When she asked me what she can do I suggested a lot of cardio and lunges, squats. She also uses a slendertone EMS toner. The problem is under these pockets of fat you can feel rock hard muscle that is obstructed by fat.

I understand that when we lose weight it comes off all over, so if she lost more weight the bones in her arms would be exposed!

Any advice ladies?

Many thanks...
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/25 08:25:42 (permalink)
    Personal advice?
    HEAVY squat and HEAVY lunges few reps once a week and LIGHT squats and lunges with 100 of reps once a week as well.
    Now make her eat A LOT more and definitely more proteins.
    Forget cardio and put on some muscles on those arms!!

    It's her choice but putting on more lean muscle mass is the only solution for a great body and a fast metabolism.
    Good luck to both of you!
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/25 09:56:48 (permalink)
    For cellulie you can get loads of creams and stuff - a massage helps as it breaks down the cellulite.

    Her upping the poundage muscle wise is essential like Philia said. Muscle is more dense that fat so she could replace the fat she ahs with muscle weight more than she does now and be the same size [ish]

    I have noticed a major trend with people on diets [and Im not being sexist] both men and women make the same mistakes and this sandwiches and salad is good. Your diet has to be balanced. They say atkins is no good but niether is all carbs. Get her diet overhauled increase her protien intake to a 30/30/20 split check her BMI make sure she is eating enough.

    Lunges squats and good morning [to work the hams and butt] and she should see results.

    Try a detox too. these a lotion out called I think its Perfectslim by Loreal. It contains Gingko caffiene and some other stuff and helps tighten skin and remove 'orangepeel' skin - she could try that too! You can also use [for spot fat] preparation H!
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/25 10:32:11 (permalink)
    Thanks,

    I'm beginning to get some real good advice for her.

    When I train I do a body part (directly) once a week, although I have been doing building for a few years and have got a lot bigger. Should she still train like you say with heavy weights but do bodyparts only once a week? Will she need more attention to the problem areas i.e. do legs twice a week, with the second day being lighter squats?

    Very interesting about knocking Cardio on the head...
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/26 11:39:04 (permalink)
    what does 'detox' mean? (in proper science terms please - not airy fairy language please!)
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/30 08:12:09 (permalink)
    apparently human sperm haa a cellulite reducing effect and helps with skin toning. tell her to get on all fours and you will help her out.
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/30 10:50:47 (permalink)
    IronBelle - thanks for the info

    Some questions:
    what are toxins and how do they affect cellulite?
    How do you evaluate which foods leave someone prone to cellulite?
    How do preservatives contribute to cellulite?
    How does coffee contribute to cellulite?

    thanks
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/30 20:13:00 (permalink)
    IronBelle - This is really beginning to help.

    James - These are great questions I would like to know the answers to...

    I think we are going to have to give my better half a programme that can put some mass on her upper body (especially arms) and somehow lose her cellulite.

    She's so thin and light, this cellulite thing is contradictory to the rest of her body...
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/07/31 14:00:38 (permalink)
    There's some really good info there. I'm lucky and don't have cellulite myself (yet!!) but do have excess fat around bum and tum area's and as my other half keeps saying "You can't spot fat loss", what a pain ey??!!! I have heard that body brushing is excellent for the skin though, celulite or not. You should buy a good body brush and brush at least once a day, dry before showering, always brushing towards the heart. It helps to firm the skin and improve circulation. Can't hurt and might reduce that peely look. And I'd back up the water point, drink loads, it's the best beauty product available - and cheap!!!
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/01 13:00:20 (permalink)
    Interesting tip about the Vax!

    Any ideas on answering the questions I asked
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/01 14:48:19 (permalink)
    I have a few ideas. Celulite is the cellulose from vegatables that the body cannot use or digest and pass through the body as waste (usually) stored.
    If the veg is green it contains more cellulose that other 'non-green' vegatables (all this is from my GCSE biology.) If you eat say green beans your body processes the food as normal but stores the undigestable waste as cellulose. Women are apparently more suseptable to cellulite than men (in the same way they have a higher natural body fat ratio to men.)

    To get rid of cellulite the area has to be effectively massaged - vigourously to break it down for the body to process. The body shop sell a good massager its a wooden handle with 4 or 6 balls on it (looks like a car)

    I guess with re to preservatives - if it preseverves the food it will have a similar effect on the waste too so higher preservative might cause longer lasting cellulite.

    To detoxify your body can have the benefits of removing the undigested (and as yet undeposited cellulose waste/cellulite) by flushing you out!

    Not sure how coffee works but I guess too many dieuretics would be bad as the skin would look in bad shape from lack of moisture that and cellulite = bad.

    The caffiene gingko thing - Ill get the packet out of the cupboard when I get home and post what Loreal say about it.

    Just some theory - a little science (and everyone said theres no point learning science!)

    James - what are your views does that seem to make some sense?
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/04 14:15:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies.

    Gurry:
    cellulose is not absorbed, thus it cannot enter the body, hence it will be excreted in foeces. Do if, as you correctly say, cellulose is undigestable, then how can it enter the body to be stored? so not this theory is incorrect. Indeed it is one I ahve not heard before.

    what does 'flushing you out' mean?

    Coffee is only a diuretic in higher quantities

    IronBelle
    thanks - but I still need to know what toxins are I have searched literature after literature and no-one has an answer more than 'something with is toxic to the body' !! LOL

    OK let me except that toxins do exist and the kidneys (liver??) cannot deal with them - by what process are they stored in fat and why fat?

    also what's so bad about chemicals? surely a lot of natural ingrediants of foods are also chemicals? Youre using this broad term, can you be more specific? you mention the liver when dealing with sodium, how does this come into play. Note the liver metabolises substrates it does not excrete. Indeed some 'chemicals' have no catalyst so will have no hepatic involvement, they will simply be excreted by the kidneys.

    again I hear the term 'flushing' what is this and how does it occur?

    I must disagree about caffeine's diuretic effect (I do infact keep promising an artrticle on the diuretic effect of caffiene). Caffeine doe,t have a diuretic effect until quite high levels, more than a few coffees per day. So no to me the coffee doesn't speak for itself.

    I do agree though that plenty of fluid is crucial for many reasons. So sorry you haven't really answered my questions. I apologise for being pedantic, and yes I am being so [}:)], but my pedancy is for a reason - many people will read this thread and need to understand what is going on. I do have an issue with many people providing what sounds plausible informatio on subjects such as cellulite, when it merely has only been made up and passed on (and Im not saying you do, but some of your sources might well). Im sorry but I will continue to be pedantic and cross examine until I am happy with answers, if indeed they exist (which I dont think they do). It is my job to do this for the benefit of members.

    Good advice on massaging folks - this is important for good blood flow.

    Thanks for your time girls, and I look forward to this debate, but no need to rush with replies.

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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/06 16:12:33 (permalink)

    OK I can see youre a little annoyed with me
    quote:
    Originally posted by IronBelle

    quote:
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    Coffee is only a diuretic in higher quantities

    I'll debate that here and say that coffee in ANY quantity will be diuretic James. That's a litle like saying that any drug that we take or supplement only has side-effects when we take it in large amounts. As everyone knows this is not the case.
    this is just NOT true - if you are going to make statements like this - you need to justfy yourself. Indeed bear with me and I will demonstrare what I say. There has been alot of research into this and it has been very strongly demonstated that the diuretic effec t of caffeine doens start until higher quanties. Many drugs have no side effects when taken in small doses, so I dont know what you're saying here. I look forward to any evidence you have that caffeine is a diuretic in low doses

    IronBelle
    thanks - but I still need to know what toxins are I have searched literature after literature and no-one has an answer more than 'something with is toxic to the body' !! LOL

    There are a lot of man made chemicals in processed and manufactured food. Things such as MSG (monosodium glutamate) which is something that I could talk about all day here. a flavoring put in certain types of food, but has been known to cause problems. Yes food is a drug James.
    NO food is not a drug, the very definition of the term drug, excludes food
    In fact if you go to the Zone web site or any web site giving information about such diets, you will realise that what we eat affects our insulin and hormone levels drastically, and thus it is important to maniputlate what you put in your mouth.what and these websites have credibility???!!!! - sorry I need properly researched evidence
    Coffee alone has been said to have chemicals in it other than caffeine that are used such as homosysteine and also chemicals known as ditrepenes, responsible for raising cholesterol levels. I mean each individual person needs to decide for themselves what they feel they will tolerate where health and eating well is concerned. But personally I refuse to shove stuff down my throat without knowing what is in it and what it can effect. Your saying that coffe may not dehydrate someone, but at the end of the day we all drink differing amounts, different strengths and all have different metabolisms, and this can be different for the individual person and no matter what quantity you drink, if your not active enough and drinking enough water to dilute those chemicals, then as an individual one cup of coffee could be enough to be TOO much for you personally.
    so basically youre giving me examples of 'toxins'? yet you are not really telling me how they are 'toxic'

    OK let me except that toxins do exist and the kidneys (liver??) cannot deal with them - by what process are they stored in fat and why fat?

    Well I won't get into a debate with anyone about it, but I will say here that we all know it’s unhealthy as well as uncomfortable to have too much fat on the body, too little fat creates other problems. The female hormone estrogen and calcium are stored in the fat cells. A balance must be maintained for a healthy body. Too little body fat doesn’t allow for the storage of either of these indispensable elements.

    It is also true that toxins are stored in the fat cells. This is where the lymphatic system comes into play. It drains the lymph fluid that collects toxins from all over the body and dumps it into the lymph glands. This all gets filtered and goes back into the blood stream where the process begins again. This is all part of the immune system, the major player in the body’s defenses against infection.

    your first paragroah here is corect, but you just refusing to debate the subject does make me question more. Yes I know what the lymphatic system does, but this doesnt answer my question - by what process do 'toxins' get stored in fat, just your word that it is true, is not enough for me. The same as I wouldnt just expect you to take my word on anything

    also what's so bad about chemicals? surely a lot of natural ingrediants of foods are also chemicals? Youre using this broad term, can you be more specific? you mention the liver when dealing with sodium, how does this come into play. Note the liver metabolises substrates it does not excrete. Indeed some 'chemicals' have no catalyst so will have no hepatic involvement, they will simply be excreted by the kidneys.

    I spoke of the liver and the kidneys together as being the excretory organs. Not of the kidney's being responsible for salt excretion. this job is for the kidney's. Sodium is necessary to help the cells retain fluid and water. Without it, it would be curtains. Sodium cannot be retained though without the hormone aldosterone. Aldosterone is a mineralocorticoid manufactured by the adrenal glands which are loacted atop of each kidney. That hormone is what dictates the amount of sodium and fluid you will retain. I have a son that does not make this hormone and whom needs to take hormone replacement so this is one of the reasons why I am knowledgeable about that hormone. ANY sodium that the body cannot retain is therefore rebuffed onto the kidney's. This means they have to work over time to get shut of the stuff, besides the fact that if you take TOO much in and they can't do that job quickly enough, your going to have a high level in the blood and high blood pressure results of course. Today's foods are packed and "preserved" using sodium a lot of the time and also have heaps of sugar added just to give it an appealing taste. So as a dietician, I would definately be learing about that side of stuff and teaching that to any of my clients or patients.
    Thanks for the physiology lecture [:p] - is this with your son an inborn error of metabolism (just curious) - guess you would be knowledgable! Not sure youre point here as again youve kinda talked around my original piont as aldosterone is not really involved with chemicals


    I apologise for being pedantic, and yes I am being so [}:)], but my pedancy is for a reason - many people will read this thread and need to understand what is going on.


    That's fine. I am only learned in half of this out of necessity and learning about my sons condition which is rare and incurable. As a consequence, side-effects of his drug are evident a lot, so I have to know what can stop those side-effects, such as fluid retention, or when ill what happens when he cannot kleep his drugs down orally.


    I do have an issue with many people providing what sounds plausible informatio on subjects such as cellulite, when it merely has only been made up and passed on (and Im not saying you do, but some of your sources might well). Im sorry but I will continue to be pedantic and cross examine until I am happy with answers, if indeed they exist (which I dont think they do). It is my job to do this for the benefit of members.

    I'd say here that it does folks no good ignoring well placed facts. You will have to do your own research on the topic. It doesn't appear as if you have, otherwise you would not be doubting that cellulite exists or any of the stuff put here.
    er I have, and I find you a little rude now, when I was trying my hardest to not come across rude, just debating! I will suggest that you have done NO research on caffeine, as your statement above is wrong. I never said cellulite exists (please tell mw where I said that!!!?????), but yes I do doubt alot of your information, especilly as you are so adamant we should all take your word for it, when you're just plain wrong on some facts, and I can (and will- please note I need to cite references so bear with me) demonstrtae otherwise

    Good advice on massaging folks - this is important for good blood flow.

    Thanks for your time girls, and I look forward to this debate, but no need to rush with replies.

    Your welcome. :)






    also re the caffeine thing - there are infact 2 topics on this (one with a link) int the diet and nutrition forum today
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/06 16:18:19 (permalink)
    quote:
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    Also having said that food is a drug, let's look at it like we look at drugs. Some drugs I wouldn't go anywhere near taking. I mean let's take something like ritalyn. I'd definately avoid that for my kids. Then let's take something like paracetomol, which has been around for years and people take this frequently. Taken correctly, which drug would you place more confidence in? Well food is the same. Some of it is safe to eat and some of it is down right toxic and can affect your mental health, your functions etc.
    OK I can see how youve come at the food=drug deduction, but if you are using the definition of a drug (of which there are a few) - then really food is not a drug. Afterall food is what makes us and youve said it below 'you are what you eat'

    We also under estimate the power of drinking ple ty of water. Why drink 8-12 cups a day, and then drink a few cups of coffee or coke which take us backwards where hydration is concerned?
    OK Ive argued this above, but it doesnt take us backwards atall

    I'd also remind folks of the old adage:

    "You are what you eat"

    Eat fresh vegies, drink plenty of water and get enough protein (clean foods) and you will have a clean body.

    Load it with junk, and that's exactly what you get. Processed, tinned and frozen foods have only been evident in the last 100 years or so and obesity rates and cancer rates, and Type II diabetes and Type I diabetes rates have rocketed to an all time high. So what do you feel is causing that?a number of factors, including those youve noted above



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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 16:45:29 (permalink)
    IronBelle - people will disagree with you, you are not always right. It is MY JOB TO DO SO. This was a good debate we had here, but now you have gone nasty.

    I am genuinely sorry you feel this way, but there is no need to be nasty

    Now I'm busy now but I will resond to your points for th benefit of the others

    Also note that when Im type I rush due to time constraints, so if I am curt this is the reason why!

    Please try not to take discussion forums so seriously - would you behave this way to my face? I have the right to disagree with you - as you do me!

    (I sound really patronising here - this is not my intention)
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 17:06:13 (permalink)
    Oh dear. I only just came in on this thread! The cause of cellulite appears to be one of those subjects as much debated as the infamous dangers(?) of soy.

    I don't think anything has been PROVED.....has it?

    It's clear you are both coming from opposing ends of the debate,and it's good to see both sides, but there's a difference between debate and letting it denegerate into personal insults!

    For my 2 cents - Unsure on the toxins theory because why would men not suffer from the same effects?

    I read somewhere (and I have no scientific back up on this) that female fat cells are simply shaped differently to mens (hexagonal rather than criss cross squares) and so when they fill they dimple. The only way to get rid of it then would be to lower bodyfat.


    Anyone got any info on this angle??







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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 17:34:26 (permalink)
    Gymbabeliz, Im with you here, a far as I know its just to do with the way adipose tissue is put together in women, the shape of the cells as you say & something todo with the way the connective tissue is structured?
    cellulite is a term that has been coined for 'dimply fat' the reason behind this categorisation is as follows....
    The cosmetics & beauty treatment industry makes £££££ selling us different treatments & potions to treat the problem!

    Increasing the volume & density of the underlying muscle tissue may make a difference?

    I guess the levels of fluid in the tissues would also affect the appearance of cellulite.

    As for the toxins thing, it would seem to be logical for the body to store toxins in fat tissue, since it is metabolicaly less active than other tissues, but I don't know if this is actually the case?
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 19:35:00 (permalink)
    The weirdest thing about cellulite is that I have on one leg and not the other!!! Now explain that to me.

    But I have tried just about EVERY potion, lotion and beauty salon treatment for it that money can buy and NOTHING worked. Do you know what worked? Getting my BF% down to 12%. That's right - as low as that. It was the only time in my life since I was about 12 that I haven't had it. And I've never been really fat or anything - just had it.

    So don't waste your money putting things on your skin, focus on what you put in your mouth!
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 21:00:11 (permalink)
    Medusa - you are absolutely correct IMO. I still do not know what toxins really - this is not aimed at IB - but at everyone Ive ever asked, so in this respect, I dont know if they can be stored in AT as I dont know what they are! Everything you say in your first paragraph is correct - little is known

    Liz - yes little in nutrition in PROVEN - hence my deliberate avoidance of the word

    Im sorry that IronBelle couldnt debate this further

    Re the caffeine thing - UK residents can get a FREE copy of the March 2003 'Caffeine and Health: A Review' Summary Bulletin by Dr Briony Thomas, MARCH 2003 from Unilever (yes PG Tips did sponsor it! - but the author is an SRD and completely independant) emial sarah.nolan@unilever.com with your address, etc and they should send you a FREE copy!
    It is an excellent overview, up-to-date and covers all aspects, inc the diuretic effect in detail - it is compiled from numerous epidemiological and experimantal studies and also notes empirical data (which many MT members appear to think is more valauable!!!). The best read on caffeine to date!
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    RE: Advice for my girlfriends cellulite... 2003/08/07 21:11:29 (permalink)
    quote:
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    I still do not know what toxins really -

    James it would depend on what is meant by 'toxins'. literaly things which are harmfull/toxic to the body, but I think people using the term my be meaning any subsatnces/chemicals which are foreign to the body that we have not evolved mechanisms to excrete and which our bodies therefore have to store.

    But back tothe cellulite thing, this is my observation, if you take a bit of fat on a woman and pinch it, it goes 'dimply' (even if it didn't look dimply before) but if you do the same thing to a bit of fat on a mans body, no matter how much of a porker he may be, it doesn't go dimply.
    As Liz says, surely men have as much exposure to toxins as women?
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