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KS_Manchester
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2015/01/30 21:27:37 (permalink)
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Interested to hear views from the outside in:

So, looking to loose some fat while not loosing muscle. Also getting physio so laying of heavy push upper body. Can still deadlift and legs and back and some chest/shoulder.

So... should i do 12.5g Osta for 8 weeks, or Halo at 50mg (half dose but still enough to prevent muscle loss), or just wait until 8 weeks and diet natty and get through physio. ..

Tempted by the Osta...

K
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/30 21:32:01 (permalink)
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Why not run the osta for 4 weeks then see if your happy to continue with that or take it up a notch to halo?
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 01:07:10 (permalink)
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Osta mate.
give your body time to recover. Halo is dry, and dry ain't good for zee joints.
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 09:08:05 (permalink)
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AAAAANAAAAAAVAAAAAAR!
 
just sayin!
 
Or the Osta, give it a shot.  Although I'd have it at 25mg/day, I only go lower in PCT.
 
Do bear in mind that it's not like AAS and you won't be able to go silly low on your calories or see strength maintained through the cut/recomp.  For me Osta definitely slows strength/muscle loss but it's just not as potent as AAS.
 
I would run for the full 8 weeks.

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all" - Vince Lombardi

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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 12:02:12 (permalink)
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Would prob do a 6 week 20mg nolva pct too, just so i don't need bloods (although it would be interesting to do bloods on this!).

Assume osta isn't 'as' bad on LDL or Liver as PH? (would still take water and vits etc)

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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 12:42:49 (permalink)
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^ correct.
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 20:18:45 (permalink)
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Your joints will love osta
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 20:48:39 (permalink)
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OK good.

Last question....

If i want to take 12.5mg but only have 25mg tabs can i take EOD due to 24hr half life?

Thinking this might help with some tendon strain i think i have and to retain muscle and drop some fat.

I've got a pack of 60 25mg tabs. Think it might be my next 8 weeks sorted (half the packet).

How long to then drop into a halo cycle? (4 weeks break after a nolva pct?) Or longer?

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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 21:30:50 (permalink)
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Why not just use 25mg per day?
halo, straight after nolva.
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Re: Advice... 2015/01/31 21:57:04 (permalink)
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Cool.

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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 10:59:00 (permalink)
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Why not just use 25mg per day?
halo, straight after nolva.

Is there much point in a mini pct if going straight into a cycle after?
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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 12:51:19 (permalink)
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I'd be more inclined to run osta nolva together. But, either way, yes, there is always a point to pct.
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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 12:53:21 (permalink)
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simonboyle
I'd be more inclined to run osta nolva together. But, either way, yes, there is always a point to pct.

Ι've seen that you mention this one for some time now. Why you're thinking about a cycle like this? And at what doses?
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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 13:08:06 (permalink)
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It's a great combo, and offsets the worry of suppression from osta.

But just for the fact it is a good combo, good results.

25mg osta, 20mg nolva. Nolva could even be EOD
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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 15:57:30 (permalink)
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What's the point of taking the Nolva during - gyno or HPTA?

In brief, what's the science?

I am going to take 4 days off training this week as a rest. Back on Friday.

Good to start Osta today or Friday?

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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 16:45:01 (permalink)
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Nope, they are both LEDs, nolva is only thought of as a pct drug now, but it has uses outside of pct.

Osta has been shown to result in a reduction of total test, not fsh or oh, but people think it will shut you down hard, I do not believe this to be the case. I think it reduces shbg, thus total test is lower due to being unbound and used.

Nolva osta would be good as it would increase anabolism, total test, minimize risk of any estro sides, etc and just have you feeling good.
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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 17:00:51 (permalink)
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Ok great. Thanks for the details.

Would it look like this?

Osta 25/25/25/25/25/25/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20/10/10

??

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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 17:08:27 (permalink)
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I like using Osta and 6B together, saving Serms for pct.

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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 18:33:45 (permalink)
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Yes that is a **** load of Nolva. Maybe 20mg EOD.

I am not looking for great gains, just maintenance of muscle as i cut cals a little and retain muscle while i let my shoulder recover. 8 weeks on a mild osta/nolva would be nice with a nolva taper for a couple of weeks week 9/10.

This is worse than women deciding in a shop No it's not.

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Re: Advice... 2015/02/01 18:40:34 (permalink)
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What happened to your shoulder?
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