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2014/10/07 22:32:46 (permalink)

Advice on Sacking a builder.

I've had someone doing work on my house and we're about 3/4 of the way through, the person I hired is a nice guy but the workmanship is shocking. I've had someone come in to look at what has been done and they said some of the work will need to be pulled down or re-done.
Thankfully, other than costs of materials I haven't yet paid the guy. I'm going to let him know this week that I will be getting someone else into finish/redo everything. I've taken photo's and videos of everything, is there anything else I should do to cover my back in this situation.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 07:40:21 (permalink)
    You didn't sign a contract right? So you're not obliged to keep him on while he continues to balls up your home.
    If anything he should apologise and not accept payment, given he's made you out of pocket and the time lost.
    post edited by WhiteSnake - 2014/10/08 07:42:22
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 08:42:04 (permalink)
    Have you spoken to him in the first instance about your concerns? That would be my first port of call. 
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 09:42:40 (permalink)
    To be honest whilst speaking to him would be the right thing to do, if the work is poor it potentially leaves you open to recourse. I think just say look mate this is appalling work Im not going to pay you for it. Lets part ways. Then if he argues get an impartial assessor to come and look at it before it gives him a chance to plaster over the cracks and hide it all. 
     
     
     

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 11:01:22 (permalink)
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    You didn't sign a contract right? So you're not obliged to keep him on while he continues to balls up your home.
    If anything he should apologise and not accept payment, given he's made you out of pocket and the time lost.




    I signed T&Cs but there isn't anything in there that locks me in, even if there is a balls up.
     
    We spoke to him, he tried to rectify some areas but it just led to more problems.
    post edited by indie - 2014/10/08 11:02:24
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 11:01:22 (permalink)
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 11:10:25 (permalink)
    My brother in law is going through exactly the same thing at the moment with his extension in Blackpool, builder is a clown and has caused structural damage amongst other things.
    Just yesterday he was told to cease work as they look for another builder.
    If it goes to court it will be just like the cases on rip off programme, builder says "it was clients fault changing plans and delaying payment which has caused me to suffer both in my health and financially and I have had to liquidate the business"
    They just start up in another name.
    This clown has 3 or 4 variations of his company name which he trades under.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 11:28:28 (permalink)
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    As you have already taken photo's and videos, other than sacking the guy, there's nothing else you can do.  If he wishes to take you to court, you can use the pics as evidence against him and his inferior workmanship.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 14:01:56 (permalink)
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    My brother in law is going through exactly the same thing at the moment with his extension in Blackpool, builder is a clown and has caused structural damage amongst other things.
    Just yesterday he was told to cease work as they look for another builder.
    If it goes to court it will be just like the cases on rip off programme, builder says "it was clients fault changing plans and delaying payment which has caused me to suffer both in my health and financially and I have had to liquidate the business"
    They just start up in another name.
    This clown has 3 or 4 variations of his company name which he trades under.



     
    Who is this builder getting an extension built in Blackpool as we speak. PM svp. 
     
     

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/08 14:15:53 (permalink)
    Any reason for waiting so long before wanting to sack him?
     
    Have you said anything to him about his work? Bit unfair him completing 75% of the job and then you turn round and tell him he's sacked lol… He may think he's doing a sound job 
     
    Next time, hire someone who you can trust and preferably have a look at their previous work :)

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 00:27:10 (permalink)
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    Any reason for waiting so long before wanting to sack him?
     
    Have you said anything to him about his work? Bit unfair him completing 75% of the job and then you turn round and tell him he's sacked lol… He may think he's doing a sound job 
     
    Next time, hire someone who you can trust and preferably have a look at their previous work :)




    I know what your saying, with building work it often all falls into place with the last few things, and can often look worse before it gets better. So me being the customer at what point do I say enough is enough, I have to have faith that someone is capable of finishing to a high standard, its at this point I now feel that this guy doesn't have the necessary ability to complete the work.
     
    I'd seen some pictures of his work and he could talk the talk, but with tradesmen its hit and miss and very hard to judge whether someone you trust has necessary skills.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 10:46:18 (permalink)
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    Any reason for waiting so long before wanting to sack him?
     
    Have you said anything to him about his work? Bit unfair him completing 75% of the job and then you turn round and tell him he's sacked lol… He may think he's doing a sound job 
     
    Next time, hire someone who you can trust and preferably have a look at their previous work :)




    I know what your saying, with building work it often all falls into place with the last few things, and can often look worse before it gets better. So me being the customer at what point do I say enough is enough, I have to have faith that someone is capable of finishing to a high standard, its at this point I now feel that this guy doesn't have the necessary ability to complete the work.
     
    I'd seen some pictures of his work and he could talk the talk, but with tradesmen its hit and miss and very hard to judge whether someone you trust has necessary skills.




    I kind of agree with you when you say it all falls into place towards the end but I don't agree that it cannot be inspected throughout and be assessed then? I do house renovations and building maintenance and with the house I'm working on at the minute, the guy who bought the house comes every couple of days to see how we're getting on, he's very happy with how things are going.. We've still got a few weeks left on the job, but a lot of the major work has been done.. I wouldn't expect the chap to turn round and tell us we're sacked next time he comes because he doesn't think we're good enough, I'd be thinking why hasn't he said anything upto now?
     
    How long has the work been going on? Can you pay him for the work he's done and then lay him off? The longer you wait the harsher it is imo

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 14:07:51 (permalink)
    In total he's done just over two weeks, I did inspect whilst he was there, but an example would be a plastered wall the corners aren't straight and have more bends than an F1 circuit, plastering comes somewhere near the end of building work,so its hard to tell until its nearly done, but now its being done the whole wall looks f*cked up. So other areas he said he'd come back to finish off, well I don't think he's got the skills to finish them properly.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 19:13:09 (permalink)
    These are the types of things in life I'm totally **** at. Id be the type of sucker to just accept it and pay him. Im terrible for complaing face to face etc lol

      
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 19:58:05 (permalink)
    Post the pics,
     
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/09 23:51:17 (permalink)
    If you haven't said anything to him in all this time. IMO it's abit harsh saying it now that it's almost done. It's just my opinion, there again it's not my money either.
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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/10 09:23:59 (permalink)
    Im sorry all the people saying its harsh what planet do you live on. If the work you can see looks shoddy and has had corners cut imagine what the stuff you can't see is like. Think for a second how you would feel if it fell on a kid or something ok thats a dramatic but if your going to have to pay someone else to redo it all then you shouldn't pay him. 
     
    If you have a **** car that keeps breaking down you take it back to the dealer you don't go out and buy a new one so you then have two. 

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/10 10:27:13 (permalink)
    What I'm saying Rasputin is that why hasn't he said anything up to now? Has all the previous work been ok? Has it been inspected throughout?
     
    Fair enough if the plastering's ****, then you need someone to redo it but you need to tell him this straight away, as soon as you've seen it, insist you need someone else to finish off the job.. Explain what you're not satisfied with etc
     
    Indie, you may have higher standards than this guy, or he might know he's crap at plastering? I don't know, but you do need to mention something asap if you haven't already done so.. Also pics would be nice

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/10 10:56:27 (permalink)
    He said he got a second opinion though. Which if it backs up your own thoughts is more than grounds. 

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    Re: Advice on Sacking a builder. 2014/10/11 01:23:07 (permalink)
    At this stage, I wouldn't put up pictures, if things happened to take a nasty turn at some point, it might put me in a bad light if I post pictures on a public forum.
     
    I have since sent a letter/email noting everything to this guy, I completely psyched myself up ready for a good old argument, but he emailed me back fairly quickly saying he agreed with everything I wrote. Hadn't yet paid him thankfully, but I think its gonna be a case of clawing back something for all the wasted materials, as gonna have to rip things out and replace completely.
     
    Shae, yes I do have high standards, but this plaster looks like its been put on with a spoon. I would of liked nothing better than to see this guy do the business and given him his paycheck as he seemed like a good kind of of guy, but I'm starting to feel duped, as he promised me he knew his stuff and the things I asked him to do should be bread and butter work, but from the results it looks like he had never picked up a trowel and was probably winging it.
    post edited by indie - 2014/10/11 01:36:43
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