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2014/11/01 20:48:37 (permalink)
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Advice on first Epistane cycle

Hi guys,

Basically I'm new to designer steroids. I'm looking at starting an epistane cycle. The guy in my local supps shop stocks it and basically said if I take this all I will need is a pct after it like a natural test booster. Is this true?

I'm a bit sceptical I would love someone to come up with a mock cycle as I really want to be safe and do it right. Don't want to develop bitch tits!

I was thinking Epistane with Iron Labs On cycle support along with Milk thistle and then applied nutritions alpha genesis as a pct?

All advice welcome!! :)

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/01 21:29:28 (permalink)
Some self reading will benefit you as a start, get you round the basics... goggle: PCT, HPTA, SERM, NOLVA.

Standard EPI cycle = 40mg each day for 6 to 8 weeks. Could do 50mg if large framed.

PCT = Nolva 20mg 4 weeks, 10mg 2 weeks

Take min 4 month off.

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/01 21:40:36 (permalink)
Hi thanks.

I do have a clue about those things. I was specifically looking at using IBE epistane. This stuff says that it is an anti estrogen etc etc and will not cause gycomastia?

If I ran what you were saying would I need to include a test booster along with Nolva and any other supplements to run alongside Epi?

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 00:38:45 (permalink)
EPI.

No test booster.

Can run support supps for duration but not essential.

Nolva for PCT.

EPI doesn't aromatise, so once natty test is stopped you'll have no estrogen anyway.

EPI is EPI. Can get it in different dosage caps, that's the only difference between products (assuming it is what it says it is).

EPI as a pro hormone itself cannot and will not cause gyno. An inadequate PCT could.

Also, have a look at Halo for a first cycle.

Also need to nail your diet and go for a 4x12 training style while on PH. Change to 5x5 and add weight during PCT.

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 21:13:16 (permalink)
Thanks for the advice and quick responses. Think I'll run what you have recommended and not bother with the test booster.

I'll find some Nolva and run that for my pct.

I'll also look into halo!

Thanks J

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 21:13:23 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/11/03 23:00:07
As per usual the guy in the sup shop is a moron.

As Karl suggests 40-50mg pd
Nolva as pct.
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 21:17:18 (permalink)
Thanks for all the advice. That's why I joined a knowledgeable forum as I thought he was talking out of his a***!

But my other question is 40mg seems quite a lot to start off on Epi. I've seen people's mock cycles and they have started off on like 20mg and slowly increased? As a complete newbie is this what I would have to do?

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 21:42:31 (permalink)
Epi was my first cycle too. I ran it 30mg pd. results were decent. I've ran epi a good times more since and for me 50mg pd is the sweet spot the results are great. You could start on 20 then ramp it up daily but you don't really need to. People suggest that so you can gauge your tolerance but tbh epi is very mild and side free.

The only thing that you might experience is dry joints, but that is diet related too so keep omegas high and it shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/02 21:42:48 (permalink)
No problem. Plenty of knowledgeable folk on here.

Starting on a low dose is pointless as far as EPI and 20mg goes.
It won't be enough to know you're taking a pro hormone, will waste your time while on that under dose, and is a waste of money and effort.

Go in straight at 40mg (this is the saturation you'll need).

If you have zero side effects after week 3 or 4, then you can go up to 50mg.

If you're doing Halo then 75mg from the start.

Both = 6 or 8 week cycles. Both dry compounds (they won't convert to estrogen).

Technically you'll be anabolic (muscle building) from day 1, but they are slow onset so won't notice much until week 3, hence 6 or 8 week cycle needed.

Extreme pro hormones are M1T and run at far lower dose for max 4 weeks and can be quite harsh on cholesterol. As a comparison. EPI or Halo are quite 'mild' in that respect.

They are methylated, that's the aspect we need to be aware of. So no pub sessions. Drink plenty of water and enjoy solid workouts. Anabolic even while you're asleep ha ha.

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 09:03:34 (permalink)
Once again great advice! Just what I needed! I'm well and truly looking forward to trying my first cycle now! :) securing some Gains!

I'm actually t-total now and just focus on lifting weights.

So a little background on myself to just let you know. I'm 5ft 11 weight 13.5stone. I think the trouble with me is I have been lifting for years but only seriously for the past year. I can't decide what route I want to take. I mix my training up to shock my system a lot of the time so I do strongman lifts and have always aspired to do my first amatuer strongman contest but I also do a lot of bodybuilding exercises. Think I need to find my 'area' to solely focus on.

Deadlift: 1 rep max 210kg
Bench press: 1 rep max 115kg quite weak on bench press due to knackered shoulders!
Squat: 1 rep max 180kg

So hence wanting to try my first ph cycle to hopefully build on strength and getting a 'dry' look.

Have you guys got any reliable sources as to where you've purchased your Nolva?

Thanks J

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 09:43:18 (permalink)
MT board rules state that we cannot give sources but as someone else has already posted one I see no harm in pointing you in that direction. ;)

Go over testosterone and other steriods part of the forum someone has posted that he'd purchased Baltic pharma anadrol from ####### the source is great and one that I've used on a few occasions.
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 14:54:11 (permalink)
Don't want to go against your advice guys but I'm just thinking for cost effectiveness running epi 30/30/30/30 and then Nolva 20/20/20/20. Just as there are 90 caps to a bottle therefore 3 caps a day for 30 days of epi would equal to 30mg a day! And as a beginner the results Esmee said he had were decent on 30mg pd. Also pct Nolva I've found 30 tabs of 20mg. I know its only a four week cycle too! 😁

What you reckon?

Thanks J

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 15:24:12 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby DaveW3000 2014/11/03 15:28:20
Cycle seems too short.

Nolva should be tapered to reduce likelihood of oestrogen rebound. At least 20/20/10/10 but ideally 40/20/20/20/10/10.

We always have the "for cost reasons" debate... if you can't afford 2 bottles of EPI, don't do a cycle. You're going to have to spend £100's on food, quite a bit on supplements (protein, support supps, etc.) So £35 on a bottle of EPI to turn a worthless cycle (4 weeks) in to a purposeful cycle (6 or 8 weeks) just seems unarguable.

4 weeks of 30mg EPI is like going on a stag weekender with 4 tins of shandy. Technically you are drinking, but you'll be disappointed.

I am sure many will agree:

EPI 40/40/40/40/40/40/40/40 then...
PCT Nolva 40/20/20/20/10/10

Train hard, grow lean.

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 15:28:34 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby KS_Manchester 2014/11/03 15:38:09
I'd even look at 50mg, supposed to be the sweet spot for most.
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 15:38:04 (permalink)
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I'd even look at 50mg, supposed to be the sweet spot for most.


Agreed!

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 16:42:10 (permalink)
Ok no worries thank guys. I'll just stop being stingey and do it properly!! :)

Thanks J

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 18:25:38 (permalink)
Yeah good advice above. Although I said returns were decent at 30mg the cycle was 8 weeks. This is your first cycle you'll want the best possible experience and gains and that won't happen cutting corners. The advice given is from experience and believe me if you follow it you'll be very happy with the results.
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 19:13:31 (permalink)
Can this be stacked with M-Dien or is that a bad idea?
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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 19:26:49 (permalink)
Thanks I value all of your knowledge! Will defintely be doing the 8 week cycle now! Let's secure these gains! :-)

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Re: Advice on first Epistane cycle 2014/11/03 19:27:54 (permalink)
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Can this be stacked with M-Dien or is that a bad idea?


Why? - that's just stacking for the sake of it. If you train and eat and rest hard enough, no need to stack mdien with anything. Just take mdien solo.

That said - epi is safe with mdien because it won't aromatise and give mdien's progestin the extra estrogen it needs to create gyno. However, both are dry so not best combo.

Don't stack on first cycles. Stack one compound with another only when you have run both solo and know how your body reacts to each.

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