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Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day

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2003/12/30 19:02:06 (permalink)

Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day

My normal lifts for chest in this order and reps are:
Flat Bench Press
Weighted Dips
Incline Heavy Fly's

I want to replace dips because of a shoulder problem.
Any suggestions to replace dips?
Incline dumbell Press? and make my flys flat?
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/30 21:58:36 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by JohnOvManchester

    My normal lifts for chest in this order and reps are:
    Flat Bench Press
    Weighted Dips
    Incline Heavy Fly's

    I want to replace dips because of a shoulder problem.
    Any suggestions to replace dips?
    Incline dumbell Press? and make my flys flat?




    Yeah that would work.

    How about doing the incline press first? Good to do occaisionally I think as most people use incline presses as their 2nd chest exercise.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/30 22:42:56 (permalink)
    My shoulders would hurt after 3 chest exercises too.

    I only do one, and I try so hard and give all I've got so that I couldn't do another exercise anyway.

    I think incline flys are a waste of time, I never really saw the improvement they made to me when I tried them. But that's just me.

    I think you should try taking an exercise out before you add a new one, you might be over working your chest.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 03:50:44 (permalink)
    PikeKing -
    idea is Ok mate, but the idea of doing flat bench 1st is because you can handle most weight Flat and also while fresh too. I don't totally buy into pre-exhaust ideas.
    But might alternate some weeks as U suggested.

    PauliE -
    Oh no, not another victim... fell into the overtraining camp enemy lines eh?
    LOL @ over working chest.
    It's only 3 exercises mate!
    If your shoulders hurt after 3 (you have a problem), I don't know how you'd cope doing supersets.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 05:22:40 (permalink)
    John:

    I think 3 exercises for chest, regardless of how many sets per exercise you do, is overkill and counterproductive. If you lift heavy and hard, 1 or 2 exercises for chest is plenty.

    I agree with PauliE. After 3 chest movements, most guys' shoulders and triceps would be too tired to do any productive shoulder exercise.

    There are many guys at my gym (all natural) that do 1 chest exercise, 1 shoulder exercise, and 1 tricep exercise and achieve exceptional growth in all three areas. Just something to consider.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 10:43:56 (permalink)

    An incline press first is hardly a pre exhaust tactic.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 15:37:06 (permalink)
    john,
    #1-what did you do to your shoulders
    #2-why aren't you resting them
    #3-have you seen anyone about this, a specialist? what did they say?
    #4-if you bench heavy and cannot dip, try weighted pressups. and don't use dumbbells if you have a shoulder injury. too much risk of intensifiing<<sp? that injury.
    #5-i don't like pre-exaughst, or supersets. why do either??
    #6-sort of ties in with #4, do not fly [or do any DB movement] with a shoulder injury.
    #7-if you honestly lifted @ 100% effort [dont' confuse with 1RM] on the bench and one more exersize, you would not fair very well at all on a third. imo

    rob
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 18:01:38 (permalink)
    Pike King -
    I know mate, just thought that might have been what you were trying to get at.

    Frankie -
    After 3 my shoulders and triceps are tired but they abosolutly should not hurt. Doesn't affect my shoulder lifts, theses are on a differant day. I grow well from doing 3.

    Robert -
    #1 - going too heavy on dips, fixed bars at a size that wasn't best for me probably didn't help.
    #2 - am resting now, going back to gym in new year
    #3 - no
    #4 - "try weighted pressups" tried em, were very good but just got more from bench.
    #5 - "2too much risk of intensifiing<<sp? that injury." Sorry, don't agree with that mate, dubell allow for a greater/more natural range of movement in the same way not using a smith machine does when doing squats.
    #6 - as above
    #7 - agree, you don't fair as well as fresh but it's not a waste of time sheer grit and determination see's you through.

    I think everyone at the moment is getting too worried about overtrianing. seems to be some sort of craze at the moment. 3 exercises is not overtraining and is VERY normal and something most people are caperble at.
    Some people might grow satisfactorary from just doing 1 lift but not me or anyone else I know including people who have competed at various levels body Building and Boxing training and Trach athletics sprint/hurdles.

    I have no problem with rep range or volume?
    Just wanted simple suggestions as a replacement for dips?
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 20:29:07 (permalink)
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    Frankie - After 3 my shoulders and triceps are tired but they abosolutly should not hurt. Doesn't affect my shoulder lifts, theses are on a differant day. I grow well from doing 3.

    I have no problem with rep range or volume?
    Just wanted simple suggestions as a replacement for dips?



    If you're doing shoulders on a separate day, then I think you're overtraining shoulders. Shoulders get worked hard when you do chest and triceps AND when you work back, so if you're doing them on leg day, then you are intensely working your shoulders 3 days a week. That's way too much.

    You may be growing well doing 3 exercises for chest, but could you grow even better by doing 1 or 2 exercises? That's the real question.

    There is no replacement for dips. Some might say decline bench press, but it's not the same.

    There's no way for us to tell you if you have a problem with rep range or volume because you haven't told us about either one.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 22:00:46 (permalink)
    That's what I ment Frankie, I don't have a prob with rep range or volume.
    FYI if your curious I generally do 5x5 for my 1st main exercise's and 3x6-8 on the rest. If I can reach 6-8 reps I up the weight, so normally I am working 4 reps plus.
    Although I honestly do appreciate peoples help but at the moment I am satified with my progress and don't need any help with routine or anything like that.
    I can see what your saying about the shoulders getting overtrained because of there usage in most chest and back stuff however...
    I thing it is OK because they are hit in a differant way when I do them on a leg/shoulder day.

    I only want suggestions for a replacment for dips.
    I know nothing is really like dips and that was the reason for this post. the only reason I am taking dips out is they are the only thing that aggravate my shoulder problem.
    The decline did cross my mind, but we don't have a decline bench at the gym (not very well equiped cause it's primarly a boxing gym) but we do have a power rack thank god, fixed flat bench's, adjustable incline benches, oly bars and dumbells etc, fairly basic but good enough for me.
    The only thing I could do is put the bottom of a flat bench on a box.
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    RE: Alternative to weighted dips? Chest/tri day 2003/12/31 22:42:37 (permalink)
    John:

    I would just give your shoulder some time to heal - like 4 weeks - and try dipping again. A box under one end of a flat bench wouldn't be very stable, nor would you have any place to hook your legs, so I'd pass on that idea. Good luck.
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