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2018/01/12 10:31:52 (permalink)
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(Another) Epistane Cycle Thread

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First post for a very long time, although I have been on here/ looked in here for years now.
 
I've been training seriously for the past 4 years, half hearted for a while before then. I'm now 34 years old. Started at 5’10” and 140lb (pathetic, lots of drinking and partying with a poor diet) and I'm now up to 176lbs through decent diet and training, BF probably appx 12% so still pretty lean.
 
I'm planning my first PH cycle (5 weeks of Epi), having spent a LONG time reading up on the subject. My aim is some lean mass and more definition. The cycle I plan on running is below:
 
Pre-cycle (1 week prior):
 
Multi (I take this anyway)
Fish Oil (as above)
Cranberry Extract
Milk Thistle
Liv52
 
On Cycle:
 
German Pharmaceuticals Epistane (30/30/30/30/30)
CEL Cycle Assist
Multi
Fish Oil
Cranberry Extract
Milk Thistle
Liv52
Taurine on standby if pumps are an issue
 
Post Cycle:
 
Nolva (20/20/20/20)
CEL Cycle Assist (worth continuing? Half dose?)
Multi
Fish Oil
Cranberry Extract
Milk Thistle
Liv52
 
Diet is in check and healthy, plus LOTS of water at all times. No boozing. Training 4 x per week fasted before work, first shake and meal immediately PWO.
 
Does this all look OK to you more experienced guys? Just want to make sure I have everything in check prior to starting. One other thing, the CEL CA says ‘take 4 capsules, twice daily sapced out 8 hours’...am I right in thinking this is 8 capsules per day in total?
 
Thanks in advance.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/12 11:16:18 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby briz09 2018/01/17 13:28:09
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i'd probably drop the milk thistle, liv52 & cranberry extract as the cycle assist has these boxes covered and start the taurine in your pre-cycle routine as it'll take a little while to feel the benefits if you do get back pumps. It's better to have it building up/already in your system ready to counter-act any pumps rather than waiting for up to 2 weeks to feel the benefit and then going onto PCT when it's just kicking in
 
4 caps twice per day = 8 caps.
 
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/13 08:26:32 (permalink)
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/16 09:26:29 (permalink)
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/16 09:32:56 (permalink)
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/16 09:36:03 (permalink)
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Thanks everyone. Plan on starting the cycle on Monday so will keep everyone posted as to progress etc.
 
Edit: The GP Epistane I have is in 20mg capsules, so I plan on altering my cycle to 20/40/40/40/40. Do you think this is a decent plan for a first time user? Figured I'd start at the lower dose to play it safe?
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 11:32:53 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby briz09 2018/01/17 13:28:02
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seeing as you can't split capsules, it'll do. I certainly wouldn't be venturing north of 40mg per day.
 
See how you go on with this cycle and perhaps in the future extend it to 6 weeks and see how you get on.
 
You could even do it with this cycle, depending on how you're feeling towards the start/middle of week 5
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 13:05:36 (permalink)
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Definitely, that's the plan. Would I be better to stay on 20mg/ day for two weeks? Ive read a lot of conflicting info, some suggesting that 20mg/ day is pointless...however I don't want to jump up to 40mg/ day too soon if I can avoid it.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 13:10:22 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby briz09 2018/01/17 13:27:58
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I'd just go 40mg from the start.
30mg was decent fore and was a good cycle. 45mg was slightly better but I wouldn't go higher. If yours are 20mg then just do 40mg per day
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 13:10:45 (permalink)
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No need to post now but any chance of before and after pics. Considering Epi myself but still need convincing.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 13:27:06 (permalink)
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Nice one, thanks. Will try and sort some before and after pics and will post a weekly update - daily updates on logs bore me to tears. Cant wait to get going now
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/17 21:59:03 (permalink)
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It's a good way to track progress
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/18 09:24:44 (permalink)
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No, I agree, its just daily updates don't really tell much of a story. At least doing them at week intervals there should be some changes to report.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/23 09:53:59 (permalink)
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Started this yesterday having pre-loaded with the supplements listed above. Ive now dropped the milk thistle and cranberry extract, running CEL Cycle Assist instead.
 
Cycle planned as follows:
 
Epistane 20/40/40/40/40 (20mg caps) with CEL Cycle Assist, Liv52, multi and fish oil.
 
Nolva 20/20/20/20, plus the support listed above.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/23 11:03:42 (permalink)
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Good stuff
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/01/25 09:05:14 (permalink)
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Day 4 of 20mg/ day today. Trained back and bi's before work and the pump was INTENSE. Today was the first time I took the tab before working out and there was a marked difference, awesome workout. Im not naïve enough to think that some of it may be the placebo effect but it certainly isn't doing any harm so far. No noticeable sides so far either.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/02/05 09:45:08 (permalink)
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Update:
 
Today marks the start of my third week on Epistane (first week at 20mg/ day and 40mg/ day since). I have been eating clean and training hard...and I must be honest that I'm a little underwhelmed by the results so far. The scales show a 2lb weight increase and I do appear a little leaner, however I have not experienced any real strength gains as of yet.
 
No real sides of note other than minor back pumps. One thing I have noticed is a bloody itchy head (!), although this may be coincidental.
 
I understand that for a lot ‘week 3’ is the week when results stepped up a gear, and fingers crossed this is the case. Will update accordingly.
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Re: (Another) Epistane Cycle Thread 2018/02/05 10:09:31 (permalink)
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Well, I'd discount the first week as epi at 20mg is pretty low.
How much were you expecting?
If you aren't growing at a related you're happy with then that falls down the you. Up the calories and the training. They aren't magic pills.
 
And if your 2lbs heavier and leaner.....well then that is a result.
Strength is what it is. If you want to get stronger then, again, that's down to you. Is your training geared towards strength increase?
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