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2009/07/21 21:37:07 (permalink)
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Any Electricians?

My back bedroom light switch keeps going off:
 
It is a dimmer switch (plastic) connected to a standard ceiling rose light - the bulb blew a couple of months ago and tripped the whole house, I put in a new bulb and it didnt work, so I replaced the dimmer switch, this worked and also worked with the old light bulb - so it probably a fault with the dimmer.
 
Anyway it has worked fine since, but last night I went into the room and instead of turning the dimmer on in a light handed clockwise motion, I put a bit of weight into it and lent onto it - I heard a kind of pop as if something had blown?
 
do the switches have fuses in? and is it common that they go? or have I got something more serious within my electrics?
 
I am going to just get a standard flick on flick off switch and see how that goes, but I dont want to die in the process
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 21:53:18 (permalink)
    Without looking at the switch and room etc its hard to say but....

    I would go to the Consumer unit, (fuseboard) and turn off the upstairs light ing ring. ( or just turn all the electrics off in the hosue)

    make sure there is no power going to the switches,id then take the light switch front off and check your wiring connections becuase it could be that theres is a bad connection particularly the earth (green and yellow).

    also you i would unscrew the ceiling rose and check it is wired correctly. if possible take pictures and post them up, or just describe what you see as its not rocket science bit you may miss things at first glance

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:22:43 (permalink)
    thanks mate, I will do it tomorrow morning and replace with a standard on off switch.

    It has worked fine for 2 years, and only really broke when I put too much force into it (the switch) I assumed the pop sound was a fuse blowing, maybe if the wires got tugged.

    that is my un-trained, totally made up interpretation of what happened lol.

    a simple on / off switch would be easier I imagine.

    What are the chances of getting electricuted from removing a light switch without turning off the electric?
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:24:59 (permalink)
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    thanks mate, I will do it tomorrow morning and replace with a standard on off switch.

    It has worked fine for 2 years, and only really broke when I put too much force into it (the switch) I assumed the pop sound was a fuse blowing, maybe if the wires got tugged.

    that is my un-trained, totally made up interpretation of what happened lol.

    a simple on / off switch would be easier I imagine.

    What are the chances of getting electricuted from removing a light switch without turning off the electric?



    Turn off the electric.  Please!
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:29:47 (permalink)
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    What are the chances of getting electricuted from removing a light switch without turning off the electric?


    When dealing with electricity, you're poking a tiger in the face. You might get lucky and find that he's a friendly tiger who enjoys being poked in the face. However chances are he won't like it one bit and will eat your arm.

    Turn off the power.


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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:32:09 (permalink)
    I will turn off the electric definately, I always do I just asked as when I was younger I took off my light switch and wired my Hi-Fi speakers into it so that when I came into my room and turned the light on - my radio came on

    it got annoying after about 2 days, but I didnt get a shock from handling the ends of the live black and red wire - maybe i was just lucky
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:34:04 (permalink)
    dimmers dont have fuses in mate, but they are notorious for going wrong. your right to get a normal switch.

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:34:43 (permalink)
    Must have been a friendly tiger.
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:36:14 (permalink)
    i guess so Suspiriro , i live to tell the tail

    as always MT DIYers have saved me
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:43:52 (permalink)
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    thanks mate, I will do it tomorrow morning and replace with a standard on off switch.

    It has worked fine for 2 years, and only really broke when I put too much force into it (the switch) I assumed the pop sound was a fuse blowing, maybe if the wires got tugged.

    that is my un-trained, totally made up interpretation of what happened lol.

    a simple on / off switch would be easier I imagine.

    What are the chances of getting electricuted from removing a light switch without turning off the electric?


     
    rightly or wrongly people work on live electrics all the time, ive done it replacing and adding a double socket outlet in a bedroom.
     
    but its really quite silly and tbh you might aswell protect yourself for the sake of a 2minute job and turn the electrics off at the main fuseboard (proper name is consumer unit).
     
    swapping for a normal switch is a good idea.
     
    blue = neutral
    brown/red = live
    green and yellow = earth
     
    just look at the back of your switche for the indicator of which cable is sposed to go in there and match the cables up.
     
    the symbol that looks like an upside down christmas tree is earth terminal.
     
    check your connections are nice, tidy, correct and secure in the ceiling rose aswell mate

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 22:58:45 (permalink)
    i understand about the turning off electricity, I would always do that now I am afraid of electric

    to the above post - i do not have an earth connection in my switch, is this normal?
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:04:50 (permalink)
    yeah but you may have one in your ceiling rose.

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:12:43 (permalink)
    oh right, I dont plan on disconnecting that - i dont care whats up there, it is an old house and an old light and has about 8 wires going in either side.

    if I can sort the switch out I should be fine, hopefully will eliminate the need for an electrician. Fingers crossed
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:19:59 (permalink)
    lol theres like 7 terminals or somthing on a ceiling rose iirc off the top of my head.

    do the new switch thing if it ****s up again take pictures of the wioring and post them up you wont need a sparky mate tbh.

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:24:55 (permalink)
    if there old wires (and depending who wired this before you) the wires might be different colours from the above.there may not be an earth in your celing rose this is not realy important but a good idea to put one in.
    if i were you i would change the whole celing rose for a new one (more places to connect wires and safer) mark the existing wires with a bit of coloured tape so you know where they all go once you have disconected them from the old rose.
    there is no "live" wire in a lighting circuit (like there is in a socket) only a "live" neutral and a neutral +earth if there is one.
     neutral comes on when you flick the switch, the "live" neutral carries on to the next light fitting.

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:28:32 (permalink)
    here ya go matehttp://www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/ceilingrose.htm remember power off.

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:29:14 (permalink)
    you have switched live but im not going into that sh1t, ive got work tomorrow

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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:38:45 (permalink)
    cool, thanks for your help guys

    Also why i am here, when I touch my radiator (that is in the same room) I get an electric shock, but only if i touch it with my elbow

    Is this common? I have not tried any other body parts, but I know it shocks my elbow
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    Re:Any Electricians? 2009/07/21 23:41:17 (permalink)
    lol, cant help you with that mate.
    re the lighting,its realy quite simple to rewire circuits. the instructions have to be in the rose or switch that you buy from your diy place by law, and they are very easy to follow.if i can do it anyone can tbh, good luck with your strange rad lmao.

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