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2014/11/13 00:09:44 (permalink)
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Any PE teachers on here?

This is something I'm looking into. I understand it is the most competitive teaching job. Is it very difficult to secure a job atm?

I'm currently in my second year of a physiotherapy degree and so should only need an extra years (maybe two) training after I complete this. Ideally I'd like to do a master in sports medicine anyway.
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    badman
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/13 02:34:02 (permalink)
    I think it helps if you can teach another subject too, even if it's pre-GCSE level (years 7,8,9)
    Oh yeah and a word of advice.  Try to encourage the kids who aren't good at sports.  PE teachers sometimes are the worst kinds of bullies and seem to make an effort to buddy up to the athletic kids.
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 06:09:02 (permalink)
    I work with teachers...they all wish they went down another career path, even the sports teachers as its usually only a small part of the job.

     
     
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 11:23:32 (permalink)
    I'd suggest not limiting yourself to just PE. Open up to other subjects you can teach - this will make you a much more valuable asset to anyone looking to employ you.

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 14:22:12 (permalink)
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    I'd suggest not limiting yourself to just PE. Open up to other subjects you can teach - this will make you a much more valuable asset to anyone looking to employ you.



    This.
     
    The way the world is at the moment and especially in our schools you will be much more employable if you can teach another subject. We are short of science and math teachers if you can teach in these subjects you can virtually walk into any school anywhere in the country.
     
    Will also depend on what level of  school you are aiming to teach in, in Primary schools you can be a village idiot and probably get a job as you don't need to be an expert in anything to teach 5-7 year olds etc.
     
    If it was me i would want to teach 14-18 year olds,especially in PE. I say at this level as i remember when i was at school and the PE teacher was a Mr Green and it was him and his teaching methods that made me fall in love with Rugby Union when i was 14 and had never even picked up a Rugby ball before.
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 15:53:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for input ^^^
     
    Ox - what were their reasons?
     
    The research I've done so far has echoed what you have both said about being able to teach more than one subject. I'm now looking into how they assess your ability to teach other subjects. 
     
    Weighing up the pros and cons atm of teaching vs physio atm. I feel the holidays are a massive perk, especially for when I have kids of my own. 
     

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 16:15:01 (permalink)
    They love the kids side of things but they spend literally hours on required paperwork that takes up so much time its crazy and they all say its just not needed and takes away from the real purpose of the job. Before i started there i thought they had it easy, short days, long hols but its been an eye opener. I open up at 7 and they are there not long after, work through breaks on paperwork, lesson plans etc and there often till 6 sometimes 7. During the breaks they are in very often or if not working at home, 70 hour weeks are not uncommon. 
     
    Don't get me wrong they love the job in terms of what they do with the kids but the stuff that goes on behind the scenes is very hard work and they all complain they barely have any social life, the term its a career not a job could never be truer, in fact i'd say its a way of life as it takes up nearly all of it.
     
    II had one moaning yesterday - a PE teacher actually! that she wishes she never went into it, its an all consuming thing to do and tbh the pay isn't exactly mind blowing.
     
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 16:55:22 (permalink)
    Can't understand why you would pay all that money to go to Uni and then become a PE teacher (with a side gig in Year 9 Geography.)

    Physio will give you far more options. I dated a girl a while back who worked for a private hospital and had a side gig with Hull FC Rugby League.

    The Rugby League wasn't great pay but she really enjoyed it and if the head physion moved on she would be in the prime position to get that role.

    Private Physio charging £30 an hour? Sorry not me thanks I'd rather get paid less and do more hours.
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 18:00:59 (permalink)
    Ok cheers Ox. It's still early days.

    I haven't paid anything for uni. The NHS fund my course. Also the money wouldn't be wasted anyway. It takes a degree / 4 years to become a PE teacher.

    Hourly rates mean f all in the real world. Private physio is £40-70 an hour. More in central london. Great if you're seeing 5+ people day consitently. My mate charges £50 an hour just for bloody personal training. That seems good but then you have to look at the hours spent at the gym training no one, up very early, leave work late, no sick pay, holiday pay, rent of facilities, stressing about making enough etc. I quit personal training myself for that reason.

    When comparing a standard NHS physio job to a teaching job the wages and progression are pretty similar. I still want to be a physio, ideally working with athletes, but it's good to explore all options.

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 20:12:04 (permalink)
    Don't become a teacher your better than that 😜

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/15 20:44:48 (permalink)
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    They love the kids side of things but they spend literally hours on required paperwork that takes up so much time its crazy and they all say its just not needed and takes away from the real purpose of the job. Before i started there i thought they had it easy, short days, long hols but its been an eye opener. I open up at 7 and they are there not long after, work through breaks on paperwork, lesson plans etc and there often till 6 sometimes 7. During the breaks they are in very often or if not working at home, 70 hour weeks are not uncommon. 
     
    Don't get me wrong they love the job in terms of what they do with the kids but the stuff that goes on behind the scenes is very hard work and they all complain they barely have any social life, the term its a career not a job could never be truer, in fact i'd say its a way of life as it takes up nearly all of it.
     
    II had one moaning yesterday - a PE teacher actually! that she wishes she never went into it, its an all consuming thing to do and tbh the pay isn't exactly mind blowing.
     
    Be a physio!


    Either in a very demanding school (may have an ofsted label of "requires improvement"), are poor time managers and/or new to the profession. Possibly have extra responsibility such head of year, head of subject or senior leadership. However, they are paid pretty generously for the extra work.

    I am a maths teacher and certainly do not work 70+ hours a week! However, I am in my 8th year so have my routines nailed. PE teachers are unlikely to have much marking and lesson planning is not that intense for pe. In exchange for this they stay late most days for clubs or training and may have to give up Sat mornings for sport fixtures.
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 00:36:05 (permalink)
    Are the NHS not tying you in to a minimum term of employment for paying for your degree?
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 01:15:24 (permalink)
    lol Rasp. Keeping options open. The NHS will probably be sold by the time I graduate which I am strongly against. There's no telling what employment will be like then. 
     
    Lancs - Yeah that is why I was looking into PE over something like biology. Staying behind to teach sports seems a little more appealing than marking books. 
     
    Wes - Like medicine, our term times are longer than normal students, with us doing 5x 6 week placements as part of the course. 

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 08:25:07 (permalink)
    All schools you will come across are different mate. Lads/lasses I know barely lift a finger outside the 9-4 but that's because they are organised and have routines. However, being organised and routinely is key in quite a few jobs to being efficent.

    I can see why you've looked at teaching. Rewarding occupation but also something that often has a clear progression route and can stem into other occupations. Remember, teaching doesn't have to be the be all and end all. You could do it for a few years and get your QTS, then move on and come back to it,

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    Re: Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 09:43:34 (permalink)
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    Are the NHS not tying you in to a minimum term of employment for paying for your degree?


    There is (surprisingly) no requirement to work in the NHS outside of your mandatory clinical hours whilst on the course. A bit ridiculous really, as they pay X for the course and then a number of private companies specialising in cheap insurance cases come along, match or just undercut the NHS wage and guarantee new grads a job with a high volume but straightforward caseload, allow treatment within set protocols only, and slowly destroy all the skills people learn at uni. Shocking business practice from both public and private points of view but for different reasons.
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    Re: 2014/11/16 09:44:53 (permalink)
    Jack - working as a physio isn't all that. I wouldn't do it again.
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 10:17:58 (permalink)
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    The Rugby League wasn't great pay but she really enjoyed it



    I wonder why lol

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 10:48:11 (permalink)
    Yeah Phil, I know a lot of physios as I worked as an assistent for a year. The course I'm on is amazingly detailed and very enjoyable. I can see much of the skills taught being lost in the real world though and this worries me.

    What are you doing for work now?

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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 15:39:34 (permalink)
    Does anyone whine more about how hard they have it than Teachers?

    Yen we get it you have to mark books and prep for lessons..How many hours do they think other "professionals"work?
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    Re: Any PE teachers on here? 2014/11/16 17:08:20 (permalink)
    I've done a lot of jobs including teaching. Nothing took over my life quite like teaching did, hence why I'd never do it full-time again. Did far more hours than I've ever done in any other line of work.
     
    Certainly not whining about it - simply stating the facts

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